Hello Neil and all,
Well, six sheets are a bit of a different story. The problem is
that plexiglass typically only comes 48"x96" as a rule. You can
obtain plexiglass larger than that but usually 60"x100" is the top
end and harder to get. When you get above that, around 81x81, it
is much harder to locate and usually has to be special made. It is
very costly to do that. Plus, the frame I use for 3 sheets, that
is economical, is just not sturdy enough for a 6 sheet with the
weight of the plexiglass, often the linenbacked poster and the
backing. It will work if you are leaning it against a wall, which
is what many of my customers do, but hanging it on the wall makes
the frames legs bow just a bit. Some people wouldn't notice, but I
am a bit crazy over non linear lines in a frame. You really need
to have a wider, typically wood frame built and a back frame for
support for a 6 sheet. Here in my area, it is well over $2500 to
frame a 6 sheet correctly and that is why it is rare that people
have them done. Not to mention, you have to have a pretty good
size wall to hang it on. Since many houses have only 8' high
ceilings, the leaning against a wall is not such a bad idea. Even
if you hung the frame, it would be from floor to ceiling anyway.
I have shipped the unassembled frame for 6 sheets before and
the collector has found someone in their own area to get the
plexiglass from and you can always piece two sheets of foamcore
together for the backing since it comes in 48x96 sheets also.
Remember, though, when you are getting plexiglass or acrylic at
that size, there is no UV filtering involved. If you want it to be
UV filtered and/or non glare (which I would highly recommend for
something this size), they apply that process afterwards. The cost
of the 6 sheet frame with all it's assembly hardware, hanging
wires, and stress wires from me would be $145. The shipping
varies, but I just shipped that size tube to someone in the
midwest last week and the shipping was about $60. Remember, plain
acrylic, which is what some customers settle for, typically has no
filtering agents in it at all or very little. Indoor light such as
tungsten, flourescent, incandessant and more recently halogen, can
fade paper also. So, if using plain acrylic, I wouldn't suggest
framing anything of great value. Since we don't have the lights in
our homes on all the time, it would probably take awhile to notice
any fading. The paper these old posters of our were printed on
wasn't the greatest. So, that's the scoop. Take care all.
Sue
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(800) 463-2994
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:34:32 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets / six sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
hey sue
that's a great story.
can hollywood poster frames also provide 6-sh frames? if so, what
are the numbers?
cheers
neil
PS Gaslight and It Happened One Night? we love the same films!
--- On Wed, 9/2/11, Susan Heim
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
From: Susan Heim <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 9 February, 2011, 17:15
Hey Toochis and all,
Trust me, it's the only reason I, myself, have any 3 sheets on
the wall. I remember going to a frame store in 1984 to frame my
Gaslight 3 sheet and they told me $1500. I nearly fainted. It
wasn't even UV filtered plexiglass they were offering, just a thin
piece of acetate. So, it sat in an envelope. It was really those
early days of me trying to frame my own collection that got me
into this racket. I just started buying the materials and framing
them myself, which was still expensive because I wasn't buying in
any quantity, I wasn't a frame shop, I was just me trying to get
my posters on the wall. It helps now that I buy between 500 and
600 4'x8' sheets of the UV filtered plexiglass every month. I've
gotten the price down about as low as it can go and the plexiglass
is the most expensive component in the frame job.
What really thrills me is when I send a 3 sheet frame setup
to someone outside of California and they send me pictures of the
finished product proudly displayed on their wall and then tell me
it's been a box for 30 years and, since they couldn't afford to
frame it, they would occasionally take it out of the box to look
at. That's a kick. So, the more movie posters on the wall the better!!
We've been enjoying your current 3 sheet frame job awaiting
your pickup. All my designers that I do the framing for keep
walking by it, it's hard to pass by without seeing it, and
stopping to admire it. I told them it's not for sale!! See you
soon and to all out there, Happy Collecting.........
Sue
<http://www.hollywoodposterframes.com/>www.hollywoodposterframes.com
(800) 463-2994
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 00:43:25 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sue is the reason I have my 3sheets in display. If it weren't for
you, Sue they would be in a box.
Bless you!
Toochis
From: Susan Heim <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:55:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
Hello all,
Hey Dave that 3 sheet does still look pretty good. 3 Sheets have
been a thorn in the side of many collectors for years. I, myself,
bought alot of 3 sheets in the early days not really knowing what
I would do with them, but they were just so beautiful and large,
sort of like the movies on the big screen were for me. The cost of
framing them in a retail establishment is extremely high as most
frame shops don't keep materials in stock for something oversize
like this and when they special order those materials, the cost is
very high. I didn't even frame one of my own 3 sheets until I
opened my framing business in 1987. I couldn't afford it. You can
frame them without linenbacking but they don't look as good. What
you do is use some acid free artist tape to hinge the pieces
together. You don't have to put the tape all the way across the
seam, just at a few strategic places. Once it's in the frame, it's
good to go and they become quite the conversation piece in your
home or office.
I routinely ship the unassembled frames for 3 sheets. Then I
provide the information for the customer to get the plexiglass and
acid free backing at wholesale in their own neck of the woods.
Assembling the frame is a breeze. Most of you that order my
regular frames know that already. You can save hundreds of dollars
doing it yourself over having it custom framed in a retail shop.
The cost of the complete custom frame from me is about $97 and
comes with all the assembly hardware, hanging and stress wires
ready to put together and hang up your 3 sheet. I use a bit
thicker frame than Dave shows in his picture. He was just matching
the Archival frame that he gets on all of his other items. The
frame I use is about 5/8" wide and 1 1/4" on the side. Many of my
customers here on the group will attest to the fact that it is a
nice frame and better yet, it gets your 3 sheet on the wall
instead of sitting in a box. Please feel free to call me to
discuss your options. Even if you are handy and can make a wood
frame yourself, please feel free to call me to give you the info
you need for the UV filtered plexiglass (true view non glare is
preferrred as Dave mentioned) and the Artcare conservation backing
we use for value appreciating material.
Sue
<http://www.hollywoodposterframes.com/>www.hollywoodposterframes.com
(800) 463-2994
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:24:40 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Late to the chatter but I've only owned - and still own - just one
three-sheet in my collection. It's from the "Quiet Man," which I
consider to be John Wayne's best "non-Western" movie. (See image
below.) We have 20-foot-high ceilings in the living room of our
late-80s built home and the only reason it hasn't come down off the
wall, rolled up and sold or consigned (like the other long-gone
posters you see in this old image) - is because it's a pain to get
on a ladder and take this seven-foot-tall-linen-backed-monster down
and out of its frame.
This poster, which I bought from Bruce in August 1999, still sits
in a lovingly built custom-made frame built in November 1999 by the
fabulous Sue Heim. I have sold off more valuable posters since the
fires in our area in 2003 and 2007, but this one is still here
because of the logistics of taking it down - and my knowing that
it's no more than a mid-range poster, unlikely to fetch more than
$400. I remember the back of the frame - it has supporting wires
all over the place to keep this poster from moving around, sagging,
etc. And as you can see in the picture, Sue is the best. That
poster hasn't warped/rippled or sagged in the 10 years it's been up
there. In hindsight, I should've had the poster framed with
non-glare plexi. -d.
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:46:32 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
I adore art deco. I would love to see Indiscreet and the clock.
I have a Madame sans Jane 3 sh litho hanging on the wall at home.
At the office is a huge Italian Barbarella which the gents like.
Toochis
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Kirby McDaniel
<<http:///mc/[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
I have a six sheet of SAINT JOAN in the living room. This is a
spectacular poster.
Kirby McDaniel
On Feb 6, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Doug Taylor wrote:
I have a 3SH of Indiscreet (R37) in the entryway of our house. We
love art deco and have this hanging in an alcove across from our
deco grandfather clock. Prior to buying this 3SH, we had the 3SH
of Model from Montmartre hanging there (1926).
In my office I have the 6SH from The Dark Corner covering one
wall. The only other poster in the room is the Style B Dead Reckoning 1SH
Regards
DBT
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Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:20 PM
To:
<http:///mc/[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
Wall space a challenge and like posters having their own space
anyway, so only one on the wall.
Going to trouble of framing, UV etc, prefer it to be art that works
particularly well in that format.
Rear Window was up until recently, really like art in that format
It lasted very well, but after 10 years needed a change.
Replaced with Love in the Afternoon, art works well as a 3 sheet.
(Another nice use of a roller blind, but without Evelyn Keyes' size 12s.)
Rich mentioned Strangers on a Train recently, insert he has is
really good, and I think that title's an excellent example of a 3 sheet.
(Seems V rare though, only know of Bruce selling one, and Christies.)
Used to have more rolled up on linen. Touch of Evil, nice enough,
but art doesn't really justify that size in my opinion.
Gun Crazy, (which I bought from Bruce years ago, pre-ebay, had
backed and never got on the wall), I regret selling a little,
another very good 3 sheet I think.
Eye-popping and deliciously trashy.
Examples off the top of my head; it doesn't get much better than 3
shts for King Kong and the German 3 shts for M and Metropolis (obviously!).
Again for selfish reasons, I'll be happy if the new generation have
little interest in this format.
And, I'd probably look at getting a frame where they could be
circulated easily.
PS: I think I should take back my comment about Breakfast at
Tiffany's 1 sheets not seriously cooling yet.
Noticed on ebay last night that there's something like nine of them up there.
On 6 Feb 2011, at 20:13, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
The main reason you are seeing some lower prices is that many of
the people who once championed larger sized posters have either
passed on, stopped collecting, or greatly slowed their buying.
Any size or genre gets "hot" when there are a few wealthy
collectors laying out serious money for them. When those serious
collectors lose interest and sell out, that area becomes ice cold
until some new collectors with deep pockets re-discover that area.
Witness expensive cartoon movie posters.
Everything goes in cycles. If you wanted to invest, you should look
for an area where prices are far lower than they once were, and
where they have been depressed for quite a while, as those items
could easily suddenly get hot again.
Of course I personally advise against buying solely for investment,
for, just as with the stock market or real estate market, most
"investors" end up buying high and selling low.
Bruce
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Michael B
<<http:///mc/[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
when i first started collecting, i never purchased a poster that i
did not intend to display.
at that time, i typically sold posters that were displayed but
later replaced with a different poster. since then, i repurchased
many of those great pieces that i sold.....and they are not displayed.
now, i buy posters that i know i will store flat in plastic and
cardboard so that i can at least look at them from time to time.
but.....an unbacked three-sheet seems to be too fragile to buy just
for the heck of it. i have just 2 or 3.that remain folded, undisplayed.
i am debating buying a 3 sheet poster tonite.....but prob won't. i
have the 2 diff styles half sheets, the insert and os. none are
displayed......just stored in plastic.
IS THIS ONE REASON WHY THREE SHEETS ARE NOT AS POPULAR AS THEY ONCE
WERE? titles of one sheets seem to increase in val, while the same
title of the 3 sheets seems to not increase in price.
who many of you buy 3 sheets in the same way as an insert or half?
mbb
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