Well Rich. That's a great idea. However, some people just aren't
that handy. Also, you have to do some extra stuff when building
oversize frames, especially a 6 sheet but even on your 40x60. Since
wood frames are put together with glue and nails and not a metal
corner bracket like a metal frame, you have to put an L bracket on
the backside of each corner or over time the corners will split
apart as the wood expands and contracts. When building a wood frame
for a 6 sheet, if you are putting plexiglass in front, the actual
wooden frame is sort of decoration. You have to build a back frame
out of flat wood. So, say you have an exact 81x81, which they never
are but for discussing purposes. You build the frame the size of the
poster, plexiglass and foamcore. Then you build a back frame that is
actually 81x81 from edge to edge so that it can sit inside the back
of your frame. That is hinged or nailed to the real frame and then
the hanging wire or hooks are put on it, so the load is on the back
frame and not the actual frame. That makes it very sturdy. So, just
a few tips. As always, anyone please feel free to call or email me
anytime you are trying to frame something yourself or have any
framing questions. I am happy to help you. Good luck.
Sue
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:02:38 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets / six sheets
To: [email protected]
I recommend to all collectors to learn a little about framing, buy
the small stapling gun that puts a "star" point into a frame to hold
in the backing (costs about $18) and learn how to just put the frame
together yourself. This tool is also used to framing windows, so is
easily found at any hardware store.
it's really easy to do
right now, I'm getting ready to build a frame for my Murder My Sweet 40x60.
it will cost me less than $100 including $60 for plexi
6 sheets?? I say just make a wooden frame that you can tack up a
poster to and change out easily. No plexi
At 12:56 PM 2/16/2011, Richard Evans wrote:
Sue, that figure for everything excluding the UV plexi is ridiculously good.
I will be ordering, at some point.
I'm not absolutely sure a framed 6 sheet would go through my front
door, so home assembly may be best, or only option.
Neil, I have an estimate of framing 6 including the UV plexi, I'll
dig it out and forward.
It's not pleasant.
Generally a nightmare getting anything framed in London.
Either conservation framers which are extremely expensive, or the
alternative at more reasonable cost, where despite being clear about
conservation materials etc its pot luck whether your precious paper
is in safe hands.
On 16 Feb 2011, at 16:14, Susan Heim wrote:
Hello Neil and all,
Well, six sheets are a bit of a different story. The problem is
that plexiglass typically only comes 48"x96" as a rule. You can
obtain plexiglass larger than that but usually 60"x100" is the top
end and harder to get. When you get above that, around 81x81, it is
much harder to locate and usually has to be special made. It is
very costly to do that. Plus, the frame I use for 3 sheets, that is
economical, is just not sturdy enough for a 6 sheet with the weight
of the plexiglass, often the linenbacked poster and the backing. It
will work if you are leaning it against a wall, which is what many
of my customers do, but hanging it on the wall makes the frames
legs bow just a bit. Some people wouldn't notice, but I am a bit
crazy over non linear lines in a frame. You really need to have a
wider, typically wood frame built and a back frame for support for
a 6 sheet. Here in my area, it is well over $2500 to frame a 6
sheet correctly and that is why it is rare that people have them
done. Not to mention, you have to have a pretty good size wall to
hang it on. Since many houses have only 8' high ceilings, the
leaning against a wall is not such a bad idea. Even if you hung the
frame, it would be from floor to ceiling anyway.
I have shipped the unassembled frame for 6 sheets before and
the collector has found someone in their own area to get the
plexiglass from and you can always piece two sheets of foamcore
together for the backing since it comes in 48x96 sheets also.
Remember, though, when you are getting plexiglass or acrylic at
that size, there is no UV filtering involved. If you want it to be
UV filtered and/or non glare (which I would highly recommend for
something this size), they apply that process afterwards. The cost
of the 6 sheet frame with all it's assembly hardware, hanging
wires, and stress wires from me would be $145. The shipping varies,
but I just shipped that size tube to someone in the midwest last
week and the shipping was about $60. Remember, plain acrylic, which
is what some customers settle for, typically has no filtering
agents in it at all or very little. Indoor light such as tungsten,
flourescent, incandessant and more recently halogen, can fade paper
also. So, if using plain acrylic, I wouldn't suggest framing
anything of great value. Since we don't have the lights in our
homes on all the time, it would probably take awhile to notice any
fading. The paper these old posters of our were printed on wasn't
the greatest. So, that's the scoop. Take care all.
Sue
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(800) 463-2994
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:34:32 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets / six sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
hey sue
that's a great story.
can hollywood poster frames also provide 6-sh frames? if so, what
are the numbers?
cheers
neil
PS Gaslight and It Happened One Night? we love the same films!
--- On Wed, 9/2/11, Susan Heim
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > wrote:
From: Susan Heim <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 9 February, 2011, 17:15
Hey Toochis and all,
Trust me, it's the only reason I, myself, have any 3 sheets on
the wall. I remember going to a frame store in 1984 to frame my
Gaslight 3 sheet and they told me $1500. I nearly fainted. It
wasn't even UV filtered plexiglass they were offering, just a thin
piece of acetate. So, it sat in an envelope. It was really those
early days of me trying to frame my own collection that got me into
this racket. I just started buying the materials and framing them
myself, which was still expensive because I wasn't buying in any
quantity, I wasn't a frame shop, I was just me trying to get my
posters on the wall. It helps now that I buy between 500 and 600
4'x8' sheets of the UV filtered plexiglass every month. I've gotten
the price down about as low as it can go and the plexiglass is the
most expensive component in the frame job.
What really thrills me is when I send a 3 sheet frame setup to
someone outside of California and they send me pictures of the
finished product proudly displayed on their wall and then tell me
it's been a box for 30 years and, since they couldn't afford to
frame it, they would occasionally take it out of the box to look
at. That's a kick. So, the more movie posters on the wall the better!!
We've been enjoying your current 3 sheet frame job awaiting
your pickup. All my designers that I do the framing for keep
walking by it, it's hard to pass by without seeing it, and
stopping to admire it. I told them it's not for sale!! See you soon
and to all out there, Happy Collecting.........
Sue
<http://www.hollywoodposterframes.com/>www.hollywoodposterframes.com
(800) 463-2994
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 00:43:25 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sue is the reason I have my 3sheets in display. If it weren't for
you, Sue they would be in a box.
Bless you!
Toochis
From: Susan Heim <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:55:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
Hello all,
Hey Dave that 3 sheet does still look pretty good. 3 Sheets have
been a thorn in the side of many collectors for years. I, myself,
bought alot of 3 sheets in the early days not really knowing what I
would do with them, but they were just so beautiful and large, sort
of like the movies on the big screen were for me. The cost of
framing them in a retail establishment is extremely high as most
frame shops don't keep materials in stock for something oversize
like this and when they special order those materials, the cost is
very high. I didn't even frame one of my own 3 sheets until I
opened my framing business in 1987. I couldn't afford it. You can
frame them without linenbacking but they don't look as good. What
you do is use some acid free artist tape to hinge the pieces
together. You don't have to put the tape all the way across the
seam, just at a few strategic places. Once it's in the frame, it's
good to go and they become quite the conversation piece in your
home or office.
I routinely ship the unassembled frames for 3 sheets. Then I
provide the information for the customer to get the plexiglass and
acid free backing at wholesale in their own neck of the woods.
Assembling the frame is a breeze. Most of you that order my regular
frames know that already. You can save hundreds of dollars doing it
yourself over having it custom framed in a retail shop. The cost of
the complete custom frame from me is about $97 and comes with all
the assembly hardware, hanging and stress wires ready to put
together and hang up your 3 sheet. I use a bit thicker frame than
Dave shows in his picture. He was just matching the Archival frame
that he gets on all of his other items. The frame I use is about
5/8" wide and 1 1/4" on the side. Many of my customers here on the
group will attest to the fact that it is a nice frame and better
yet, it gets your 3 sheet on the wall instead of sitting in a box.
Please feel free to call me to discuss your options. Even if you
are handy and can make a wood frame yourself, please feel free to
call me to give you the info you need for the UV filtered
plexiglass (true view non glare is preferrred as Dave mentioned)
and the Artcare conservation backing we use for value appreciating material.
Sue
<http://www.hollywoodposterframes.com/>www.hollywoodposterframes.com
(800) 463-2994
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:24:40 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Late to the chatter but I've only owned - and still own - just one
three-sheet in my collection. It's from the "Quiet Man," which I
consider to be John Wayne's best "non-Western" movie. (See image
below.) We have 20-foot-high ceilings in the living room of our
late-80s built home and the only reason it hasn't come down off the
wall, rolled up and sold or consigned (like the other long-gone
posters you see in this old image) - is because it's a pain to get
on a ladder and take this seven-foot-tall-linen-backed-monster down
and out of its frame.
This poster, which I bought from Bruce in August 1999, still sits in
a lovingly built custom-made frame built in November 1999 by the
fabulous Sue Heim. I have sold off more valuable posters since the
fires in our area in 2003 and 2007, but this one is still here
because of the logistics of taking it down - and my knowing that
it's no more than a mid-range poster, unlikely to fetch more than
$400. I remember the back of the frame - it has supporting wires
all over the place to keep this poster from moving around, sagging,
etc. And as you can see in the picture, Sue is the best. That
poster hasn't warped/rippled or sagged in the 10 years it's been up
there. In hindsight, I should've had the poster framed with
non-glare plexi. -d.
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:46:32 -0800
From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: three sheets
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
I adore art deco. I would love to see Indiscreet and the clock.
I have a Madame sans Jane 3 sh litho hanging on the wall at home.
At the office is a huge Italian Barbarella which the gents like.
Toochis
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Kirby McDaniel
<<http:///mc/[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:
I have a six sheet of SAINT JOAN in the living room. This is a
spectacular poster.
Kirby McDaniel
On Feb 6, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Doug Taylor wrote:
I have a 3SH of Indiscreet (R37) in the entryway of our house. We
love art deco and have this hanging in an alcove across from our
deco grandfather clock. Prior to buying this 3SH, we had the 3SH of
Model from Montmartre hanging there (1926).
In my office I have the 6SH from The Dark Corner covering one
wall. The only other poster in the room is the Style B Dead Reckoning 1SH
Regards
DBT
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Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:20 PM
To:
<http:///mc/[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] three sheets
Wall space a challenge and like posters having their own space
anyway, so only one on the wall.
Going to trouble of framing, UV etc, prefer it to be art that works
particularly well in that format.
Rear Window was up until recently, really like art in that format
It lasted very well, but after 10 years needed a change.
Replaced with Love in the Afternoon, art works well as a 3 sheet.
(Another nice use of a roller blind, but without Evelyn Keyes' size 12s.)
Rich mentioned Strangers on a Train recently, insert he has is
really good, and I think that title's an excellent example of a 3 sheet.
(Seems V rare though, only know of Bruce selling one, and Christies.)
Used to have more rolled up on linen. Touch of Evil, nice enough,
but art doesn't really justify that size in my opinion.
Gun Crazy, (which I bought from Bruce years ago, pre-ebay, had
backed and never got on the wall), I regret selling a little,
another very good 3 sheet I think.
Eye-popping and deliciously trashy.
Examples off the top of my head; it doesn't get much better than 3
shts for King Kong and the German 3 shts for M and Metropolis (obviously!).
Again for selfish reasons, I'll be happy if the new generation have
little interest in this format.
And, I'd probably look at getting a frame where they could be
circulated easily.
PS: I think I should take back my comment about Breakfast at
Tiffany's 1 sheets not seriously cooling yet.
Noticed on ebay last night that there's something like nine of them up there.
On 6 Feb 2011, at 20:13, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
The main reason you are seeing some lower prices is that many of the
people who once championed larger sized posters have either passed
on, stopped collecting, or greatly slowed their buying.
Any size or genre gets "hot" when there are a few wealthy collectors
laying out serious money for them. When those serious collectors
lose interest and sell out, that area becomes ice cold until some
new collectors with deep pockets re-discover that area. Witness
expensive cartoon movie posters.
Everything goes in cycles. If you wanted to invest, you should look
for an area where prices are far lower than they once were, and
where they have been depressed for quite a while, as those items
could easily suddenly get hot again.
Of course I personally advise against buying solely for investment,
for, just as with the stock market or real estate market, most
"investors" end up buying high and selling low.
Bruce
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Michael B
<<http:///mc/[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:
when i first started collecting, i never purchased a poster that i
did not intend to display.
at that time, i typically sold posters that were displayed but later
replaced with a different poster. since then, i repurchased many of
those great pieces that i sold.....and they are not displayed.
now, i buy posters that i know i will store flat in plastic and
cardboard so that i can at least look at them from time to time.
but.....an unbacked three-sheet seems to be too fragile to buy just
for the heck of it. i have just 2 or 3.that remain folded, undisplayed.
i am debating buying a 3 sheet poster tonite.....but prob won't. i
have the 2 diff styles half sheets, the insert and os. none are
displayed......just stored in plastic.
IS THIS ONE REASON WHY THREE SHEETS ARE NOT AS POPULAR AS THEY ONCE
WERE? titles of one sheets seem to increase in val, while the same
title of the 3 sheets seems to not increase in price.
who many of you buy 3 sheets in the same way as an insert or half?
mbb
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