If anyone is sounding like a bitter old woman with too much time on her hands or at least enough time to manufacture a non-existent concern, it's you. Not everything in life is a matter of life or death and not every teapot has a tempest in it, as someone else has pointed out. BTW, the name is Franc.
-----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of lovenoir2 Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:37 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Are "boosted" images clever marketing or outright deception? First of all, quit being and sounding like a bitter, angry old woman all the time. It is rather tedious. Second, you said photos taken can appear brown or overexposed, even tho the real image looks nothing like this. This is True.. if the one taking the image doesnt know basic photographic skills and cannot judge an image to be over or under lit (and many dont). James Wong Howe is not needed for photography 101. If you want to take photos of that look dark or browned, or so over-exposed as to be blown out, go right ahead. (this is the comment you made about images being photographed, without relying on photoshopped exposure correction, which was NOT the subject of bruce's original question anyhow. He was asking about image color being boosted or over saturated so as to look more appealing). With all due respect, Francis, go back and re-read the original post. Third, No one said an insert photo of every ding was necessary. I was commenting on adjusting the contrast of a light tax stamp that might not be visible otherwise (ALSO something you made reference to). -Kerry On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Franc <fdav...@verizon.net> wrote: Get a grip. Someone selling $10 lobby cards isn't going to hire James Wong Howe to shot his photos. So long as the photo is reasonable and the decription is accurate, I don't need to see an insert photo of every tiny ding on the left edge. Life is too short. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of lovenoir2 Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 1:59 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Are "boosted" images clever marketing or outright deception? As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. And unless a description is written in technical, bullet point fashion, pointing out flaws, dings, rips (as well as it's positive aspects), a photo is 100% crucial. No one would buy an item with only a paragraph of descriptive text included. As far as the comments made about the limitations in photography, you not right here, Franc. Your example of a raw photo looking washed out or totally browned would mean the initial photograph was taken (or lit) incorrectly. A photographer who knows his craft would never turn over an image such as you described, saying that it can be fixed "in post." And if they did, it would be the last thing he would shoot, if I had hired him. If a poster has browned due to age or paper acid content, then show it-- dont artificially lighten it or the borders in photoshop. Many (including myself), like to see the age and history of an item 70 or 80 years old. Who wants it to look like it was printed yesterday? And if there was, for example, a light censor stamp, that was difficult to see, of course, that area should be a separate detail photo, tweaked with and adjusted, to best show and see it. That, tho, is not a color boost issue. The question posed was regarding images that have been saturated or color boosted; not how photoshop can best show possible imperfections or details not seen readily. -Kerry On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Franc <fdav...@verizon.net> wrote: I think Voltaire figured out a long time ago that nothing's perfect in this best of all possible worlds. I think it's almost more important to give an actual written description of the condition of the poster or lobby card including any flaws. Simply showing a photo without pointing out things that could easily be missed such as a light censor stamp or some light spotting is being somewhat less than forthright. I can totally forgive the photo shop color corrections because in many cases to not photo shop the photo will result in a poster looking totally washed out or (worse yet) totally browned, when in real life it is not. Provided there's a return policy for dissatisfied buyers, I have no problem with correcting color in a photo shop application. FRANC -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard C Evans Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 1:22 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Are "boosted" images clever marketing or outright deception? While I'd far rather sellers made a concerted effort to accurately represent lots, I can perhaps forgive a little tweak for improved presentation. Though when something looks too vivid I think most collectors can easily spot it, so it seems a pointless exercise. Besides, aren't collectors interested in paper that is actually old? I'd just raised one particularly bad example on NSFGE. I sold a Maltese Falcon Window card at Heritage a few years back. That one was, to my eye, accurately represented. They're selling a superior example in the upcoming sale, and unless it's a particularly bizarre printing anomaly, they've seriously overdone it. Terribly garish, reds look dayglo, lighter colours bleaching out. They're really not doing the piece justice, it looks repulsive. That said, and even leaving aside the Berwick lots, I think it's a particularly good and interesting sale. On 3 Mar 2012, at 12:59, Bruce Hershenson wrote: I received this e-mail from a customer yesterday: "The lobby card which I bought in the Tuesday February 14 auction arrived today in perfect condition, thanks to your superlative packing. I am delighted with the card, which is my favorite of all lobby cards. In fact, it actually looks even better in reality than in your scans, as the super-sized image brings up even the tiniest imperfection very clearly. I know nobody else who provides this enlargement service so you can see exactly what you are buying." I replied as follows: "Thank you very much for your kind words! I have been buying through the mail for over 40 years, and I have always been amazed how many sellers would try to deceive you with poor quality photos that hide defects. Now, with modern day scanners, you can make scans that "burn away" defects (including even foldlines and pinholes), and people also use them to "boost" the colors of the item! Some people seem to feel this is just wise salesmanship, but to me it is both deceptive and thinking for the short term, because you may get the person to pay more THIS time, but you are likely to lose a customer when they see how they were deceived. The way I do things with honest images that show 'even the tiniest imperfection very clearly', as you put it, I know that I gain the customer's trust, and that they are likely to order again and again, so I think those auctions that have the other philosophy are being 'penny wise and pound foolish'." What is YOUR view on this? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. 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