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On Mar 3, 2012, at 3:36 PM, lovenoir2 <[email protected]> wrote: > First of all, quit being and sounding like a bitter, angry old woman all the > time. It is rather tedious. > > Second, you said photos taken can appear brown or overexposed, even tho the > real image looks nothing like this. This is True.. if the one taking the > image doesnt know basic photographic skills and cannot judge an image to be > over or under lit (and many dont). James Wong Howe is not needed for > photography 101. > > If you want to take photos of that look dark or browned, or so over-exposed > as to be blown out, go right ahead. (this is the comment you made about > images being photographed, without relying on photoshopped exposure > correction, which was NOT the subject of bruce's original question anyhow. He > was asking about image color being boosted or over saturated so as to look > more appealing). With all due respect, Francis, go back and re-read the > original post. > > Third, No one said an insert photo of every ding was necessary. I was > commenting on adjusting the contrast of a light tax stamp that might not be > visible otherwise (ALSO something you made reference to). > > -Kerry > > > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Franc <[email protected]> wrote: > Get a grip. Someone selling $10 lobby cards isn't going to hire James Wong > Howe to shot his photos. So long as the photo is reasonable and the > decription is accurate, I don't need to see an insert photo of every tiny > ding on the left edge. Life is too short. FRANC > -----Original Message----- > From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lovenoir2 > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 1:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Are "boosted" images clever marketing or outright > deception? > > As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. And unless a > description is written in technical, bullet point fashion, pointing out > flaws, dings, rips (as well as it's positive aspects), a photo is 100% > crucial. No one would buy an item with only a paragraph of descriptive text > included. > > As far as the comments made about the limitations in photography, you not > right here, Franc. Your example of a raw photo looking washed out or totally > browned would mean the initial photograph was taken (or lit) incorrectly. A > photographer who knows his craft would never turn over an image such as you > described, saying that it can be fixed "in post." And if they did, it would > be the last thing he would shoot, if I had hired him. > > If a poster has browned due to age or paper acid content, then show it-- dont > artificially lighten it or the borders in photoshop. Many (including myself), > like to see the age and history of an item 70 or 80 years old. Who wants it > to look like it was printed yesterday? > > And if there was, for example, a light censor stamp, that was difficult to > see, of course, that area should be a separate detail photo, tweaked with and > adjusted, to best show and see it. That, tho, is not a color boost issue. > > The question posed was regarding images that have been saturated or color > boosted; not how photoshop can best show possible imperfections or details > not seen readily. > > -Kerry > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Franc <[email protected]> wrote: > I think Voltaire figured out a long time ago that nothing's perfect in this > best of all possible worlds. I think it's almost more important to give an > actual written description of the condition of the poster or lobby card > including any flaws. Simply showing a photo without pointing out things that > could easily be missed such as a light censor stamp or some light spotting is > being somewhat less than forthright. I can totally forgive the photo shop > color corrections because in many cases to not photo shop the photo will > result in a poster looking totally washed out or (worse yet) totally browned, > when in real life it is not. Provided there's a return policy for > dissatisfied buyers, I have no problem with correcting color in a photo shop > application. FRANC > -----Original Message----- > From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard C > Evans > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 1:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Are "boosted" images clever marketing or outright > deception? > > While I'd far rather sellers made a concerted effort to accurately represent > lots, I can perhaps forgive a little tweak for improved presentation. > > Though when something looks too vivid I think most collectors can easily spot > it, so it seems a pointless exercise. > > Besides, aren't collectors interested in paper that is actually old? > > I'd just raised one particularly bad example on NSFGE. > > I sold a Maltese Falcon Window card at Heritage a few years back. That one > was, to my eye, accurately represented. > > They're selling a superior example in the upcoming sale, and unless it's a > particularly bizarre printing anomaly, they've seriously overdone it. > > Terribly garish, reds look dayglo, lighter colours bleaching out. > > They're really not doing the piece justice, it looks repulsive. > > That said, and even leaving aside the Berwick lots, I think it's a > particularly good and interesting sale. > > > > > > > On 3 Mar 2012, at 12:59, Bruce Hershenson wrote: > >> I received this e-mail from a customer yesterday: >> >> "The lobby card which I bought in the Tuesday February 14 auction arrived >> today in perfect condition, thanks to your superlative packing. I >> am delighted with the card, which is my favorite of all lobby cards. In >> fact, it actually looks even better in reality than in your scans, as the >> super-sized image brings up even the tiniest imperfection very clearly. I >> know nobody else who provides this enlargement service so you can see >> exactly what you are buying." >> >> I replied as follows: >> >> "Thank you very much for your kind words! I have been buying through the >> mail for over 40 years, and I have always been amazed how many sellers would >> try to deceive you with poor quality photos that hide defects. Now, with >> modern day scanners, you can make scans that "burn away" defects (including >> even foldlines and pinholes), and people also use them to "boost" the colors >> of the item! >> >> Some people seem to feel this is just wise salesmanship, but to me it is >> both deceptive and thinking for the short term, because you may get the >> person to pay more THIS time, but you are likely to lose a customer when >> they see how they were deceived. The way I do things with honest >> images that show 'even the tiniest imperfection very clearly', as you put >> it, I know that I gain the customer's trust, and that they are likely to >> order again and again, so I think those auctions that have the other >> philosophy are being 'penny wise and pound foolish'." >> >> What is YOUR view on this? >> >> -- >> Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team >> P.O. 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