I don't reply to your questions on forums because I have your account set to "ignore" on the forums. Now that you have surfaced here, I will set you to "ignore" here as well, so I won't be seeing your future posts here either.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:29 AM, filip de volder <[email protected]>wrote: > > > ok , just became a member of heritage too to enlarge the picture (hadn't > noticed it was an option on the heritage site ...) indeed clear ... but so > why doesn't Bruce go through christies past auctions too as they've had > the blow up poster on many occasions (including some i send them ) if for > some reason he needs to compare his own mistakes to mistakes others made ? > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:05:06 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > > Filip, > When you look at the emlarged images from the Heritage archives, you can > see the printer's information > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* filip de volder [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2012 03:22 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > > Hi Jeff , thanks , i know about the info Bruce posted (which as i said > for a poster like this is information that for 30 years in business movie > poster sellers is widely available and has never been a " curious " case > !!) but i reffered to the NSFGE post where he ( again ) attacks in some way > his concurrent heritage showing *their* blow up sales where they're > supposed to have made mistakes , i asked him to clarify his accusations as > they don't seem correct when checking the *heritage* pictures ... Bruce > being frustrated seeing all great posters being consigned to heritage > should not be a reason for constantly trying to discredit them , that's > been going on for years and is a ridiculous playground mentality > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:10:07 -0700 > To: [email protected] > > hi filip, > > bruce posted a follow up, showing the 3 printers and the corresponding > years that the original and the 2 re-release posters issued. he also > provided closeups of the printers information on each poster. > > he offered the links here in MOPO (and im assuming) NSFGE, too. > > check again. I think you will see the information. > > best. > > jeff > > > > > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:47 PM, filip de volder wrote: > > hi, i'm new to this forum but i see there's some same topics as on the > nsfge site , regarding this blow up poster i asked Bruce 2 questions : who > is the foremost french dealer he mentioned that was unaware of the > different blow up releases (for such a collectable poster and information > as for different releases being wildly available to any professional seller > who knows what he's doing this is totally unacceptable so collectors > should be warned that next to an american based " professional " movie > poster seller there's also one in france buyers should be aware of ) > > and regarding the links he posted on nsfge for the heritage blow up sales > i asked where that he could tell from the pictures that one was and > the other was not original (both with year and palm) as on the pictures > they are identical unless when i checked them out i was momentarily bitten > by stupidity ... > > no surprises here : no answer from Bruce ... > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:44:34 +0000 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > To: [email protected] > > I remember when Bruce made a post asking if anyone could show him one of > the Haggard fakes so that he wouldn't be fooled by one if someone ever sent > any Universal Horror to him and Grey immediately stepped up and sent one to > Bruce right away, as that is the kind of guy he is (though I guess Bruce > didn't show it to any employees as they auctioned a fake Son of > Frankenstein card while Bruce was out of town not long after). > > So I am sure Bruce must have extended the same sort of courtesy to Grey as > he did to Lieberman. > > It's that kind of mutual respect and courtesy between dealers that makes > our hobby so different from the rest. > We don't have the back-biting and animosity that many other collectibles > seem to have. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Franc [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 03:01 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > > I guess after the seeminlgly endless flow of e-mail from Bruce, he was > just too busy to answer this one! > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Zeev > Drach > *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 2:36 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > > I don?t think we?ve received a response from Bruce to this question, have > we? > > > Zeev > > > > > > > *From:* MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sean > Linkenback > *Sent:* June 15, 2012 5:23 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > > > Bruce, > did you contact Grey/Heritage before you made this public posting so that > they could "quickly correct it" the way you did with Cinemasterpieces, or > was your first inclination to post the information to MoPo as quickly as > possible? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Bruce Hershenson > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]> > ] > *Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2012 04:54 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > > Here is a faster way to the seven items that were incorrectly listed: > > * > http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/BLOW-UP/type/French%25201p/sort/4/archive.html > * > > This has all the 9 Blow-Up posters we auctioned > > These were the two that were correct: > *http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2010215.html*<http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2010215.html> > *http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/7989641.html* > > Those two have no year under them. The other seven are the ones we > auctioned incorrectly. > > The release info on them has now been corrected. The original prices are > still there until we see what the buyers tell us they want to do. > > If you want to use the above to create an email that you send to your > customers, telling them that we listed *SEVEN *posters incorrectly, then > that is fine with me. > > On 6/15/12, Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]> wrote: > > WHY do you want to see the links? I CAN compile them, but it will take > > a while, and I don't see the value. So explain to me why and then I > > will see if it is worth my time to do so. > > > > And I don't see why you object to me sending MY customers to your > > website.It is like in Miracle on 34th Street where Macy's sent > > customers to Gimbel's! > > > > Bruce > > > > On 6/15/12, Smith, Grey - 1367 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yet we still did not get the links? > >> > >> > >> From: Bruce Hershenson [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:30 PM > >> To: Smith, Grey - 1367 > >> Cc: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > >> > >> We mis-auctioned it SEVEN times, and you only did it three times, so we > >> are > >> over twice as wrong and negligent as you were! We clearly explained what > >> we > >> did. > >> > >> Since you took time to post, will you answer what your policy is in > these > >> cases (will you offer refunds?) and will you correct the listings in > your > >> online results? > >> > >> Bruce > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367 > >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Odd as we have no direct link to the auctions from Emovieposter in which > >> they were incorrectly sold! > >> Please advise? > >> > >> From: MoPo List > >> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>] > >> On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson > >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:51 AM > >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > >> Subject: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters > >> > >> We recently auctioned a French one-panel poster from Blow-Up, and we > said > >> it > >> was from the first 1967 release, and then Thierry Brahme, co-owner (with > >> Holiday Russell) of All Poster Forum posted thqt it was a re-release. > >> That > >> set us on a journey researching that poster (and the ones from the other > >> releases) and we came up with the following definitive answers > >> (corroborated > >> by all the leading French poster experts and by the fine research > >> available > >> on Ed Poole's LAMP site): > >> > >> There are three releases, and they look very similar (almost everything > >> is > >> the same, except the R70s omits the 1967 from the top Cannes tagline) > >> > >> THIS IS ORIGINAL: > >> "1967" in the top Cannes tagline > >> "ATELIERS LALANDE 91-WISSOUS - TEL 920.98.75.76" > >> > >> THIS IS R69: > >> "1967" in the top Cannes tagline > >> "LALANDE COURBET 91-WISSOUS" > >> > >> THIS IS R70s: > >> NO "1967" in the top Cannes tagline > >> "Ste EXPL Ets LALANDE COURBET 91-WISSOUS" > >> > >> You can see a visual comparison here: > >> http://www.emovieposter.com/unused/blowup_research_reference_images.jpg > >> > >> Now the above information showed we had just auctioned a R69 as an > >> original, > >> so of course we then contacted that buyer and told them what had > happened > >> and cancelled the sale. > >> > >> We next went over our ENTIRE history of every auctioning versions of > this > >> French poster, and discovered that we have only once had an original, > and > >> that there were 4 times where we incorrectly identified a R69 as > original > >> and three times where we incorrectly identified a R70s as a R69 (because > >> we > >> were given erroneous information some years ago that led us astray). > >> > >> Fortunately, we keep accurate records of every past sale, so we > contacted > >> those 7 buyers and offered to take back the seven posters for a full > >> refund > >> (including shipping both ways so they lose nothing) or to make a partial > >> refund if the price they paid was too high based on the false info, EVEN > >> IF > >> YEARS HAVE GONE BY, and we long ago paid the consignors. > >> > >> Once we have heard from all the buyers we will likely lose many hundreds > >> of > >> dollars, but it is well worth it, because it lets our buyers know just > >> how > >> much we stand behind everything we sell! > >> > >> We then took a quick look at the Internet to see if we could find other > >> examples that were being sold incorrectly. We found that Dave Lieberman > >> of > >> Cinemasterpieces had one for sale that was a R69 but was incorrectly > >> identified as original, and we contacted him, and he promptly corrected > >> it. > >> > >> We went to Heritage's archive on their site, and discovered that they > >> obviously had incorrect information (like we did) but they had DIFFERENT > >> incorrect information than we did, resulting in their selling three > >> different posters, one from each release, and identifying them > >> incorrectly > >> every time. > >> > >> This is the original that they sold as R70s: > >> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072> > http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072< > http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072%3ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072> > > > >> > >> This is the R69 that they sold as 1966: > >> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245> > http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245< > http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245%3ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245> > > > >> > >> This is the R70s that they sold as R69: > >> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052> > http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052< > http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052%3ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052> > > > >> > >> Now hopefully they will go back and contact the two buyers to whom they > >> sold > >> they posters they incorrectly identified (there is no need to contact > the > >> third one, the one who got an original incorrectly marked as a > >> re-release, > >> because that person got an incredible buy and is surely happy!). But > they > >> may or may not have a policy of doing this. If they are followers of > >> "buyer > >> beware", which so many auctions are, then those buyers are simply out of > >> luck. > >> > >> I also don't know if they will go into their online archive and correct > >> the > >> above mistakes, as we do. We always correct any errors in our database, > >> and > >> remove all sales where the buyer never paid or they returned the items, > >> to > >> keep our database super accurate, but it takes a lot of time and money > to > >> do > >> so. > >> > >> IF ANYONE READING THIS OWNS AN EXAMPLE OF A FRENCH BLOW-UP POSTER, THEN > >> YOU > >> SHOULD TAKE IT OUT AND CHECK TO SEE WHICH RELEASE YOU HAVE. If you were > >> incorrectly sold a re-release as either an original or as the wrong > >> re-release, then contact the person or auction you bought if from and > ask > >> for a refund or a price adjustment. > >> > >> Thanks much to Thierry Brahme, Ed Poole and others who helped in this > >> research. > >> -- > >> Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team > >> P.O. 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