Hi Jeff , thanks , i know about the info Bruce posted (which as i said for a poster like this is information that for 30 years in business movie poster sellers is widely available and has never been a " curious " case !!) but i reffered to the NSFGE post where he ( again ) attacks in some way his concurrent heritage showing their blow up sales where they're supposed to have made mistakes , i asked him to clarify his accusations as they don't seem correct when checking the heritage pictures ... Bruce being frustrated seeing all great posters being consigned to heritage should not be a reason for constantly trying to discredit them , that's been going on for years and is a ridiculous playground mentality From: jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:10:07 -0700 To: runbuffy...@hotmail.com
hi filip, bruce posted a follow up, showing the 3 printers and the corresponding years that the original and the 2 re-release posters issued. he also provided closeups of the printers information on each poster. he offered the links here in MOPO (and im assuming) NSFGE, too. check again. I think you will see the information. best. jeff On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:47 PM, filip de volder wrote:hi, i'm new to this forum but i see there's some same topics as on the nsfge site , regarding this blow up poster i asked Bruce 2 questions : who is the foremost french dealer he mentioned that was unaware of the different blow up releases (for such a collectable poster and information as for different releases being wildly available to any professional seller who knows what he's doing this is totally unacceptable so collectors should be warned that next to an american based " professional " movie poster seller there's also one in france buyers should be aware of ) and regarding the links he posted on nsfge for the heritage blow up sales i asked where that he could tell from the pictures that one was and the other was not original (both with year and palm) as on the pictures they are identical unless when i checked them out i was momentarily bitten by stupidity ... no surprises here : no answer from Bruce ... Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:44:34 +0000 From: s...@platinumposters.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I remember when Bruce made a post asking if anyone could show him one of the Haggard fakes so that he wouldn't be fooled by one if someone ever sent any Universal Horror to him and Grey immediately stepped up and sent one to Bruce right away, as that is the kind of guy he is (though I guess Bruce didn't show it to any employees as they auctioned a fake Son of Frankenstein card while Bruce was out of town not long after). So I am sure Bruce must have extended the same sort of courtesy to Grey as he did to Lieberman. It's that kind of mutual respect and courtesy between dealers that makes our hobby so different from the rest.We don't have the back-biting and animosity that many other collectibles seem to have. -----Original Message----- From: Franc [mailto:fdav...@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 03:01 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters I guess after the seeminlgly endless flow of e-mail from Bruce, he was just too busy to answer this one!-----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Zeev Drach Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:36 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters I don?t think we?ve received a response from Bruce to this question, have we? Zeev From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Sean Linkenback Sent: June 15, 2012 5:23 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters Bruce,did you contact Grey/Heritage before you made this public posting so that they could "quickly correct it" the way you did with Cinemasterpieces, or was your first inclination to post the information to MoPo as quickly as possible? -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Hershenson [mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 04:54 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters Here is a faster way to the seven items that were incorrectly listed: http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/BLOW-UP/type/French%25201p/sort/4/archive.html This has all the 9 Blow-Up posters we auctioned These were the two that were correct: http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2010215.html http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/7989641.html Those two have no year under them. The other seven are the ones we auctioned incorrectly. The release info on them has now been corrected. The original prices are still there until we see what the buyers tell us they want to do. If you want to use the above to create an email that you send to your customers, telling them that we listed SEVEN posters incorrectly, then that is fine with me. On 6/15/12, Bruce Hershenson <brucehershen...@gmail.com> wrote: > WHY do you want to see the links? I CAN compile them, but it will take > a while, and I don't see the value. So explain to me why and then I > will see if it is worth my time to do so. > > And I don't see why you object to me sending MY customers to your > website.It is like in Miracle on 34th Street where Macy's sent > customers to Gimbel's! > > Bruce > > On 6/15/12, Smith, Grey - 1367 <gre...@ha.com> wrote: >> Yet we still did not get the links? >> >> >> From: Bruce Hershenson [mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:30 PM >> To: Smith, Grey - 1367 >> Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >> Subject: Re: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters >> >> We mis-auctioned it SEVEN times, and you only did it three times, so we >> are >> over twice as wrong and negligent as you were! We clearly explained what >> we >> did. >> >> Since you took time to post, will you answer what your policy is in these >> cases (will you offer refunds?) and will you correct the listings in your >> online results? >> >> Bruce >> >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367 >> <gre...@ha.com<mailto:gre...@ha.com>> wrote: >> Odd as we have no direct link to the auctions from Emovieposter in which >> they were incorrectly sold! >> Please advise? >> >> From: MoPo List >> [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>] >> On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:51 AM >> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> >> Subject: [MOPO] The curious case of the French Blow-Up posters >> >> We recently auctioned a French one-panel poster from Blow-Up, and we said >> it >> was from the first 1967 release, and then Thierry Brahme, co-owner (with >> Holiday Russell) of All Poster Forum posted thqt it was a re-release. >> That >> set us on a journey researching that poster (and the ones from the other >> releases) and we came up with the following definitive answers >> (corroborated >> by all the leading French poster experts and by the fine research >> available >> on Ed Poole's LAMP site): >> >> There are three releases, and they look very similar (almost everything >> is >> the same, except the R70s omits the 1967 from the top Cannes tagline) >> >> THIS IS ORIGINAL: >> "1967" in the top Cannes tagline >> "ATELIERS LALANDE 91-WISSOUS - TEL 920.98.75.76" >> >> THIS IS R69: >> "1967" in the top Cannes tagline >> "LALANDE COURBET 91-WISSOUS" >> >> THIS IS R70s: >> NO "1967" in the top Cannes tagline >> "Ste EXPL Ets LALANDE COURBET 91-WISSOUS" >> >> You can see a visual comparison here: >> http://www.emovieposter.com/unused/blowup_research_reference_images.jpg >> >> Now the above information showed we had just auctioned a R69 as an >> original, >> so of course we then contacted that buyer and told them what had happened >> and cancelled the sale. >> >> We next went over our ENTIRE history of every auctioning versions of this >> French poster, and discovered that we have only once had an original, and >> that there were 4 times where we incorrectly identified a R69 as original >> and three times where we incorrectly identified a R70s as a R69 (because >> we >> were given erroneous information some years ago that led us astray). >> >> Fortunately, we keep accurate records of every past sale, so we contacted >> those 7 buyers and offered to take back the seven posters for a full >> refund >> (including shipping both ways so they lose nothing) or to make a partial >> refund if the price they paid was too high based on the false info, EVEN >> IF >> YEARS HAVE GONE BY, and we long ago paid the consignors. >> >> Once we have heard from all the buyers we will likely lose many hundreds >> of >> dollars, but it is well worth it, because it lets our buyers know just >> how >> much we stand behind everything we sell! >> >> We then took a quick look at the Internet to see if we could find other >> examples that were being sold incorrectly. We found that Dave Lieberman >> of >> Cinemasterpieces had one for sale that was a R69 but was incorrectly >> identified as original, and we contacted him, and he promptly corrected >> it. >> >> We went to Heritage's archive on their site, and discovered that they >> obviously had incorrect information (like we did) but they had DIFFERENT >> incorrect information than we did, resulting in their selling three >> different posters, one from each release, and identifying them >> incorrectly >> every time. >> >> This is the original that they sold as R70s: >> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072>http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161216&lotNo=53072> >> >> This is the R69 that they sold as 1966: >> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245>http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=693&lotNo=65245> >> >> This is the R70s that they sold as R69: >> http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052>http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052<http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052%3Ehttp://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=58024&lotNo=54052> >> >> Now hopefully they will go back and contact the two buyers to whom they >> sold >> they posters they incorrectly identified (there is no need to contact the >> third one, the one who got an original incorrectly marked as a >> re-release, >> because that person got an incredible buy and is surely happy!). But they >> may or may not have a policy of doing this. If they are followers of >> "buyer >> beware", which so many auctions are, then those buyers are simply out of >> luck. >> >> I also don't know if they will go into their online archive and correct >> the >> above mistakes, as we do. We always correct any errors in our database, >> and >> remove all sales where the buyer never paid or they returned the items, >> to >> keep our database super accurate, but it takes a lot of time and money to >> do >> so. >> >> IF ANYONE READING THIS OWNS AN EXAMPLE OF A FRENCH BLOW-UP POSTER, THEN >> YOU >> SHOULD TAKE IT OUT AND CHECK TO SEE WHICH RELEASE YOU HAVE. If you were >> incorrectly sold a re-release as either an original or as the wrong >> re-release, then contact the person or auction you bought if from and ask >> for a refund or a price adjustment. >> >> Thanks much to Thierry Brahme, Ed Poole and others who helped in this >> research. >> -- >> Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team >> P.O. 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