Happy to help, Paul. This issue confused me as well and I did wonder whether the more prevalent quads WITHOUT the "U" - were repros. And I probably would've continued to have some doubts had it not been for Tracks Ltd. stepping in (without realizing it) - putting the matter to rest when it verified the authenticity of its "ragged" quads from the same owner with family ties to the Stafford printing company. Tracks Ltd. has handled so much material that its one of the few trusted retailers of Beatle items in the U.K. -d.
________________________________ From: Paul W. Hazen <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:34 PM To: David Kusumoto Cc: MoPo List; [email protected] Subject: Re: The Beatles - British Quad HELP! question You rock! This is exactly the information I was looking for. Should get it next week so I guess the measurements will be the tell-tale sign. All the best. Sincerely, Paul W. Hazen Handshake Partners Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Phone: 818.970.6602 ________________________________ From: David Kusumoto <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:21 PM To: MoPo List; [email protected] Subject: Re: The Beatles - British Quad HELP! question I researched this issue almost two years ago and here's what I turned up. If you don't want to read the long-form info I wrote to another colleague - the short version is "Help!" quads with the "U" rating are first release 1965 - but oddly - they are second printings to correct an error in the first run by Stafford and Company Ltd. - which had errantly left off the "U" in its rush to ship posters of this guaranteed hit to UA / UK / exhibitors. To me personally, these second printing quads with the "U" - are more desired and command more $$$ - because they're harder to find. Parenthetically - commercial reprints DO NOT HAVE THE "U" - and most are smaller than 30x40. I know that sounds counter-intuitive - but it's because the reprints were based on the more prevalent first printing theatrical quads without the "U." I've never seen the third version mentioned, i.e., "a U enclosed in a circle" with "minor cast names" replaced with a “Seven New Songs” Label and a “Printed by Leonard Ripley & Co, LTD, London” stamp "on the lower right." I believe this is a third printing given the marketing changes that befell "Help!" - akin to the different poster versions of "Yellow Submarine" in 1968 whereby listing the number of songs felt crucial to draw in fans. In sum, the two most important markers to determine the authenticity of "Help!" quads - have nothing to do with the "U" rating. 1) dimensions must be 30 x 40 or GREATER 2) paper must be folded and not rolled Second printing "U" rating "Help!" BQ - (more desired and more $$$). https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6536/mYs4sx.jpg [https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6536/mYs4sx.jpg] <http://www.linkedin.com/in/prtoday> ---------------------------------------------------September 2017--------------------------------------------------- Research about the Help! UK quad rating anomaly (see images below). * Last week (9 September 2017) - Tracks Ltd. in the U.K. - authenticated and posted two vintage Beatle BQs from the SAME consignor for sale (see images below). * I consider Tracks Ltd. - (which like eMoviePoster here in the U.S. - offers a LIFETIME guarantee) - along with Frank Caiazzo of NJ, Perry Cox of AZ, Thomas Vanghele of NYC, Mark Lewisohn of the UK and Bruce Spizer of AZ - to be the best historians and / or authenticators of Beatles' signatures and memorabilia on earth - as all six (6) have been consulted by corporations, museums and auction houses worldwide, e.g., London, Tokyo, New York, Paris, etc. * While Tracks Ltd. makes no reference about the absence of ratings letter "U" for its "Help!" BQ - both "Help!" and "A Hard Day's Night" quads are genuine and are not reprints. They are both in the same ragged condition - and - more crucially - their provenance is sourced to the same consignor who has with familial links to Stafford and Company Limited - the printers of many BQs in the 1960s. * Neither quad offered by Tracks is a repro and this supports my long-held belief that "Help!" BQs without the "U" - represent a first printing anomaly from the first release in 1965. Their greater prevalence reflects "Help!'s" status as an slam-dunk blockbuster - and these first printings without the "U" - went out quickly in great numbers - before a corrected second printing commenced with the "U" rating added. These second printings with the "U" are more scarce, yet are ALSO from the first 1965 release. "Help!" was expected to be a greater hit than "A Hard Day's Night" and their greater availability as vintage posters are reflected accordingly. * I believe a hand examination of paper-stock is still required to distinguish 30 x 40 originals on vintage paper - from the smaller-sized commercial reprints on glossy stock which appeared in the 1980s. Poster dimensions are CRITICAL. Known commercial repros are rolled - and are ALL 27 x 39 or SMALLER. * The provenance of the "Help!" quad I once owned - (since sold long ago) - was from the Eddy Block collection sold by Christie's South Kensington in 1997. It too, had NO "U" rating. (The back story about how I acquired it and why I sold it - is below the next section which specifically addresses the posting by Tracks Ltd. of "Help!" and "A Hard Day's Night" vintage BQs.) * NOTE THAT Tracks Ltd.'s MARKETING LINKS BELOW MIGHT BE DEAD if both posters have been sold. ----------------------- B25986 – The Beatles HELP! 1965 Cinema Quad Poster (UK) £650.00 About this item <http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/2807/5gFgZ3.jpg> [http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/2807/5gFgZ3.jpg] A UK United Artists Quad cinema poster that was used to promote The Beatles second feature film 'HELP!' in cinemas across Great Britain after the film's release on 29th July 1965. The poster comes from a relative of a former employee of Stafford & Co Limited, Nottingham and London the company that printed the posters. It measures 76cm x 101.5cm (30 inches x 40 inches). The left edge of the poster is damaged. The condition is good. https://www.tracks.co.uk/product/b25986-beatles-help-1965-cinema-quad-poster-uk/ B25985 – The Beatles A Hard Day's Night 1964 Cinema Quad Poster (UK) £1,250.00 About this item <http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/3194/ZXeaC4.jpg> [http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/3194/ZXeaC4.jpg] A UK United Artists Quad cinema poster that was used to promote The Beatles first feature film 'A Hard Day's Night' in cinemas across Great Britain after the film's release on 6th July 1964. The poster comes from a relative of a former employee of Stafford & Co Limited, Nottingham and London the company that printed the posters. It measures 76cm x 101.5cm (30 inches x 40 inches. A small piece of the top right hand corner of the poster is missing, there is some very slight were on the bottom right hand side edge, there are a few tears on the right edge the largest of which measures 11cm (4.25 inches) and there some slight discolouration on the right side . The condition is very good. https://www.tracks.co.uk/product/b25985-beatles-hard-days-night-1964-cinema-quad-poster-uk/ Lifetime guarantee All our items come with a lifetime guarantee of authenticity. 100% authentic All our items are guaranteed authentic at Tracks.co.uk Tracks Ltd, PO Box 117, Chorley, Lancashire, PR6 0QR, United Kingdom +44 (0)1257 269726 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ==================================================================================== Meanwhile, here's my personal backstory about Beatle quads: https://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/3446/0Q8FXd.jpg [https://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/3446/0Q8FXd.jpg] * I got into a huge fight with Sotheby's in December 1996 over a "A Hard Day's Night" British quad "issued in 1964." I was not able to measure its poster before bidding on it IN PERSON - during one of its rare showroom sales in L.A. This quad HAD a "U" rating - BUT LATER - I discovered it was 27 x 39. Tony Nourmand, who was then a rival consultant for Christie's in London - told me he knew the quad I had bought from Sotheby's was a repro from the 80s. So - armed with Tony's knowledge, I went to Sotheby's to complain, who in turn, wanted to cancel the sale and refund my money. * Noting major travel and related expenses I incurred to attend this auction and to purchase and pick-up this poster in person - I rejected Sotheby's offer. I wanted the poster REPLACED. Sotheby's refused. At the time - the big auction houses were under investigation for many underhanded dealings - over which - as a young militant consumer activist - I concede I took full advantage. * I threatened Sotheby's executives on York Ave. that I would unleash global media coverage - (as I have done with other corporations in the past) - about general auction practices in New York, L.A. and London - which I was well aware of through informers. The bosses in NYC relented in mid-March 1997 - and replaced the repro Hard Day's Night BQ with an original, e.g., a "straight exchange" from one of Sotheby's "trusted" consignors. (After I received it - I turned around and consigned it to The Beatles Shop on Mathew St. in Liverpool in late 1997. Why? Well, continue reading below.) * During my fight with Sotheby's - Tony Nourmand reassured me that his upcoming May 1997 sale of quads through Christie's in London - were not only "absolutely 100% genuine" - but also they were, he said in superior condition - with provenance sourced to the Eddy Block Collection. Thus - it was through Tony Nourmand - and his relationship with Christie's - that on May 19, 1997 - that I bid and won the quads from "Help!" and "A Hard Day's Night" offered in his sale. The "Help!" quad I won - had NO "U" rating - and the "A Hard Day's Night" quad - did. * To be fair, as a strictly "personal preference" - if I, David Kusumoto, was avidly collecting again - I'd prefer chasing quads of "Help!" WITH the "U" rating - because they're harder to find. Until I was able to figure it out - I had it errantly in my head that the "ratings marker" was critically important as a first printing flag for vintage posters - in relation to commercial reprints available in the U.S. which appear without them. But with UK commercial reprints - I saw many with the "U" (or with stricter ratings) printed on - albeit available in smaller sizes, which to me meant different rules had to be applied. Best, David. ________________________________ From: Tracks Limited. Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 3:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Tracks Ltd -Beatles Movie Posters! 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An original 1968 concert handbill for the Beach Boys performance at Birmingham Odeon on December 6. It features black and white images of the band with the band name in white on a red and blue background with details of supporting artists; Vanity Far, Eclection and Roger 'Twiggy' Day amongst others. There is a crease line to the centre of the handbill. The ticket order form is still attached to the bottom. It measures 13cm by 28cm (5.25 inches by 11 inches). The condition is very good. £100.00 Click Here To Order<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001fDf9yM-ElpAqWJT2pEKer8bEymCSk46dJm_xhjpROU6T8xU43M-dcSFv9Y2v9JLk5lBpIl6Wt_sT8AMr4W2W2m4bxqRjpiT2k7i-f7EUtgOsSVqiPBBB3d7iBFoSkybUpQIHRgIwzL91GhIVOXFm3xZpjY32fA8AocZSoOR3S6JYVd7nMPD6-JcsULQJiLCo27Q489nlTMq4NB5TuFi6SdiFrO597yfVwFVFW8c2HSzkreAyyjgSumOUFsLpG7w0UXnN1eW0HlQ=&c=h2EtN8yrRXcR0qj8XicTZELyeTy5WACjf224ROg6MrsL8X1f4-5RhQ==&ch=JoxrIuUgKUspSkjvdA8c-2TG-cJpgXEvS2PMLt8d0KrV3iuWhteQDw==> Please remember we are constantly updating our website. 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Hazen <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: The Beatles - British Quad HELP! question Ok, who is the resident Beatles expert here? I came across a British Quad for The Beatles HELP! that I picked it up at (what I hope was) a good price. As this is out of my Stanley Kubrick wheelhouse I’ve looked for prices using the usual suspects but they are all over the place based on the different versions. It appears there are 3 different versions sold in the past by both Heritage and emovieposter as well as a few other reputable websites selling it currently at retail. One version has a “U” next to the dot in the exclamation point. Another version does not have the U at all. And another version has a U enclosed in a circle and has the minor cast names replaced with a “Seven New Songs” Label and a “Printed by Leonard Ripley & Co, LTD, London” Stamp on the lower right. Can someone shed some light on if all of these are true versions and the order these were released and the value ranking of each? All the best. Sincerely, Paul W. Hazen Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
