Yeah I agree that grading standards have slipped over there, which stands out more because Vertigo one-sheets are always in demand and not considered "cultish" nor "obscure." Reconciling images with aberrant text descriptions are head scratchers when it happens as it did with the "creamsicle / 50-50 ice cream bar" Vertigo.
I'll have to look more closely at the "other" faded Vertigo you mention that's being offered in the Signature because it would be odd if identical and / or if not - if it is given the same grading treatment. Those images are very specific so it should be easy to spot differences. Plus - "Very fine on linen" has a very specific connotation / expectation for collectors vs. to the lay buyer - the latter who might not EVER know that it's a grade that should never be applied to a faded poster. Fading is a kiss of death for posters, sometimes more worrisome than tears and small missing pieces simply because too much air-brushing and stencil cutting gets involved to darken what's gone forever. You look at the oldest "Vertigo" example during the past year offered in Dallas - which sold a short time after Grey left - and it's graded in "fine" condition and is arguably the preferred poster because the colors are deeper, richer and closer to the original despite the "lesser" grade. It almost feels like THAT poster was one of the last ones Grey graded - before he moved on. The other thing is I know those guys have had some issues finding people willing / able to write detailed text descriptions required for all lots offered, as indeed it's a tedious process even with templates - and their poster department is still understaffed and seems unlikely to handle the workload required for their sales vs. the team at eMoviePoster, which alerts customers to delays related to careful packaging and sorting. Heritage's focus outside of Sunday sales seems to be trying to lure the six-figure cost titles and / or big collections - and they do well enough for that - (they still produce good catalogs that I enjoy receiving - and they even got Hershenson to agree to write an intro for their silent film poster sale months back) - but they're not as adept from an equity / knowledge standpoint to address movie posters, their variations and what not - as a standalone section viable to vintage paper buyers - vs. when Grey was there when he built that dept. from scratch. Again, just my opinion, not necessarily factual. - d. ________________________________ From: MoPo List <[email protected]> on behalf of peter contarino <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:31 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FA: THIS WEEK HERITAGE has DETOUR, DR. JEKYLL & MR. HYDE, FASTER PUSSYCAT, & More- 364 lots Thanks David, I neglected to mention the title! Yeah HA has gone down the drain since Grey left. If you look at the last Sunday auction there are a lot of really faded pieces. Even in the recent signature auction there was the biggest selection of faded LC's I have ever seen. Shocking to see that level of material in a Sig auction. Evidently Bruce is not grading all or some of the auction material. There is another sweet creamsicle variant coming up in the Sig auction in march. Looks remarkably similar to the one they just "sold" on Sunday. On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 3:43 AM S & N Yafet <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Sounds accurate. I never collected Hitchcock but your explanation and opinions make sense. I suspect the "creamsickle orange" descriptor will be difficult to forget. Thanks for the reply! Nathalie On Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 1:33 AM David Kusumoto <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Yeah I think Peter is talking about the Vertigo one-sheet that sold for $9600. Whoever graded it "VF on linen" hasn't seen a lot of Vertigo one sheets - or - is engaging in hopeful / wishful thinking. And yet - because it was in a Sunday weekly sale instead of a signature sale - suggests someone might've known it wasn't high grade - despite the premium condition label attached, hoping whoever bought would rely on the image vs. what was in the descriptive text. In my view, if Grey Smith was still there - (he left Heritage more than a year ago and is now doing fine over at Propstore) - it's unlikely he would've ever let this go up with a "VF" grade. He would've probably given it a "G-VG on linen" - while Bruce H. would've given it a "G on linen" - both grades, whatever their differences - would've been a lot closer than "VF on linen" represented. Just my opinion, not factual. -d. Comparisons during the past year: * VF on linen - $9,600 on March 23, 2023 [https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5906/edddzc.jpg?trnonsuspmrk=1&trfcallwremmrk=1] https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/hitchcock/vertigo-paramount-1958-very-fine-on-linen-one-sheet-27-x-41-saul-bass-artwork-hitchcock/a/162313-54347.s<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmovieposters.ha.com%2Fitm%2Fhitchcock%2Fvertigo-paramount-1958-very-fine-on-linen-one-sheet-27-x-41-saul-bass-artwork-hitchcock%2Fa%2F162313-54347.s&data=05%7C01%7C%7C489d17cde8e645afc6d308db2fbfda58%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638156273281307954%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qDDUg04w%2FUz2Miyw45JRk9ESkRELWrCA6CmonggF%2Fps%3D&reserved=0> [https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?trsuspmrk=1&set=path%5B2%2F7%2F8%2F5%2F9%2F27859965%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmovieposters.ha.com%2Fitm%2Fhitchcock%2Fvertigo-paramount-1958-very-fine-on-linen-one-sheet-27-x-41-saul-bass-artwork-hitchcock%2Fa%2F162313-54347.s&data=05%7C01%7C%7C489d17cde8e645afc6d308db2fbfda58%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638156273281307954%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qDDUg04w%2FUz2Miyw45JRk9ESkRELWrCA6CmonggF%2Fps%3D&reserved=0> Vertigo (Paramount, 1958). Very Fine on Linen. 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Fine/Very Fine on Linen. 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Fine on Linen. 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JEKYLL & MR. HYDE, FASTER PUSSYCAT, & More- 364 lots Which one was that? Nathalie On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 9:55 PM peter contarino <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: This faded, inaccurately graded creamsicle orange piece sold for $9600? I don't believe it. On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 1:46 PM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: [https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?trnonsuspmrk=1&set=path%5bcovers/recurring/subtypeid-11/type-i/4.jpg%5d,sizedata%5b200x257%5d&call=url%5bfile:cover.chain%5d] Featured this week - Heritage is proud to present a Great selection of very desirable Rare and Original posters, lobby cards, photos, and more – 347 lots in all! 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