Two Cents from a collector: I’m not sure that paper will die. I think the surge of fakes from overseas and ability to accurately copy modern posters will do more damage than collector sentiment for older films. I’ve pretty much stopped buying modern big titles - I think a lot of people with stacks of new Marvel and Star Wars posters will wake up in 5 years with a pile of worthless sh*t. Bus shelters may be a better area to prevent buying bootlegs.
I also think there will be numbered print fatigue on the horizon. How many artist can mock up Jaws, Apocalypse Now, Etc... I'm already tired of buying them. I would be excited to see these printmakers dip into to classic European/French films and older (non-monster) classics. I am already getting very picky on private commission selection. I agree that pop culture icons (that might end up on a pop artist canvas) should remain strong as stated. Why won't paper die? The resurgence of vinyl convinces me that people still want to be connected in some way to an art form. However, there aren’t a lot of current vinyl collectors spinning Julie London type cheesecake or 30s/40/s Cab Calloway. So yes, lots of 40s, 50s titles will stay stagnant. Comic books are stupid but I still pick up my box every couple of weeks. The modern dialogue is pretty much crap after you've read a Brubaker series. The artwork is all that is keeping me in it. I like the comic cons and Indy books but those are a lottery ticket. Picked one up the other day added to previews before leaving the con at the plea from the writer. Read it when I got home and just laughed out loud it was so bad. Re posters/comics: What still boggles my mind is the impact scarcity of posters has on bringing new collectors to the table. So maybe as some of these 5000+ inventory collectors dump, the interest will increase as availability increases. Maybe one reason these 80s posters do so well is that you can pretty much always find one. It also doesn't hurt there is always a new film in the series or remake every few years. One thing that always keeps me positive are those old 70s price lists. I've never really thought of posters as a 1:1 investment. If I can get 80% of what I paid, then the other 20% comes from the hunt, friendships/discussions, and displaying it. I am assuming that after 50 years that I might be able to get the full 100%... Posters are not a rent house that for sure but I've never considered my rent house that much fun - would rather throw money away on posters than buy another one. Best, Charlie Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: MoPo List <[email protected]> on behalf of Dale Dilts <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2023 9:48 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Poster prices I think we are seeing the final wave before the crash. Gen-x is the last of the paper collectors, once we dump look for market free fall. Yes the top 5% of titles will always sell, but the collection sizes will number 5 not 50/500/5000 like they do now. Different mentality, well documented. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Reid" <[email protected]> To: "MoPo-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2023 9:30:11 PM Subject: [MOPO] Poster prices Here are a few more for you that have been pretty good investments for collectors: Mad Max orange Australian one sheet: In 2005 I sold one for $800.00. A couple of months ago I sold another one for $8000.00 that's a fairly significant increase. Mad Max mauve one sheets and daybills have shown similar increases over the years. Halloween Australian one sheet: These were selling for around $1000.00 15 years ago. There have been two recent sales of $4500.00 The Empire Strikes Back Australian one sheet. I sold a few of these 15 years ago for approx. $600.00. One recently sold for $3500.00 There are many more examples which I don't have the time to list. You are right that many older posters do seem to be dropping in value and probably could not be considered good investments. There is not as much interest in genres like Marilyn Monroe, John Wayne and even 50s Sci Fi and prices are certainly not setting any records. No doubt it is a different story with comics as you point out. Regards John From: MoPo List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of sales comic-art.com Sent: 18 June, 2023 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage fees and of course, this short list : Back to the Future, Big Trouble in Little China, Ferris Bueller, Rambo, Jaws, The Warriors fits into exactly what my own post said. some modern era material is increasing in value, but there is not much of an increasing list. You can't say modern posters are increasing across the board. It is limited to select titles. 99% of posters titles are going nowhere. as to the generational issue, it used to be true in most hobbies, but that has narrowed considerably. there are almost certainly few comic collectors today who read Tip Top comics in the 20s & 30s in the hobby today (if any). Same goes for Bringing Up Father, Wonder comics, Feature comics, Fritzi Ritz, Hi Spot comics.. I couldl list many dozens of titles, but the values of these are as much as 100x in top condition what they were 20 years ago - and they increase in value every year. I'm not saying posters should be getting an annual value benefit, but over the course of 20 years, there damned well should be, in any healthy situation. Rich ________________________________ From: MoPo List <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of sales comic-art.com <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2023 5:17 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage fees please post a list of these titles that are increasing in value ________________________________ From: Moviemem Original Movie Posters <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2023 4:48 PM To: sales comic-art.com <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: Re: [MOPO] Heritage fees Rich I think it is a case of collectors tastes changing and evolving over the years. There are plenty of examples of posters that have increased massively in value over the last 15 years or so. However, some of the posters that were considered high value years ago have decreased in value because the reality is that some of the younger collectors have no interest in them. I think this trend will continue. Regards John From: MoPo List <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of sales comic-art.com Sent: 18 June, 2023 8:03 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage fees Helmut, not sure why you call them 'freaks' the poster hobby was once thriving and increasing in value & new collectors. none of that is true today. values have been static for 99% of the hobby, or going negative. a poster that sold for $5000 in 2010 and still sells for $5000 today is a serious loss of money, not just in investment dollars but in real value on the inflationary scale. That 5k only has half or less of it's buying power now. I don't know about you, but that's not where I want to be with my money. a car costs 2-4x as much as they did in 2010. a house costs 3-10x a loaf of bread is 3x a poster is the same or less. that's just brutalizing your money Rich ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2023 9:06 AM To: sales comic-art.com <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Aw: Re: [MOPO] Heritage fees Rich, every major auctions tends to have it's number of 'freaks', posters that sell way above their market value. Problem is, with the massive fees you actually NEED at least a couple of those to make it worth your while. It's been a long time since I have been selling at auction, but looking back, I mostly had mixed results. One example: I sold several copies of the large Italian LA DOLCE VITA dancer style over the years directly. Heritage has auctioned this for around $48,000 once, which (give or take) should've left about $30,000 in the consignor's pocket. I sold a couple of top condition ones directly in the same ballpark. On the other end, they also auctioned this poster for about $18,000, so the consignor probably got about $12,000. I got a good deal more than that for the worst condition copy I ever had. I still have one in stock, and since I'm in no desperate need for money right now, I prefer to keep it around for at least another while. That said, I have recently sent a number of super-rare but also super-obscure early posters to Bruce, but this is all material that needs a huge audience. As always, some will fail, some should do great and in the end I'm sure it will be worth the effort. Just my two cents. Helmut Here's what I say about Heritage: when I can get the prices they get, which are in general - better than what can be achieved by myself, or in ANY other auction house in the USA - then I will stop sending them posters to sell for me. There's no chance that another US auction would have gotten $12,000.00 for a 1949 international style Casablanca one sheet, and the proof is the $106 that one auctioneer got for the same poster 3 weeks later. Considering I had it for sale for $2000, I don't care if HA took 1/3 of the result. HA under Grey's tenure also got me $1680 for a Pulp Fiction regular style one sheet, $600 for a 1989 Batman one sheet or a variety of other incredible results since I started consigning material to them. Recently they even got $10,000 for a Star Wars one sheet I sent in. When other sellers can match these results, I think they have a box to stand on and chirp. 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