wise choice to go with Bruce he as the cherry audience and the best
treatments to move it with out the brakes of Ebays stringent rules it
seems
I remember that program and i thinki have about 20-30 programs inthe 80s
i bought from George Fenemorein NYC they had beatles and star wars
,alioen and many good ones//
I have some classics like 120comandments, James bond conneryaand
others..
I think a few older too.. like King of Kings and others..
I never had my sales censored ever by any platform but have notsold in a
while/// between shipping and changes in Taste i am not sure who will
like my stuff.
But its kind of fun rediscovering what i even Have..and its been paid
for like 46 years ago LOL:)
even if i give away it will be fun...
Good luck onthe sale @ emovieposter I bet it sells well
Tom
Hollywood dream factory®
since 1977
One of my flubs was i had the chance to buy the couch from GWTW for
600.00 it was from the 1970MGM auction and was ina hotel in Findley
Ohio..I called a local collector and i think they snapped it up/// in
the movie Gable ducks behind the couch.. another one of my famous Goof
ups..i also could have bought the scarlet running one sheet 600.00 one
sheetand thought theprice was too high...yep i am a genius
speculator,,,LOL:) true story
On 2023-10-26 20:25, David Kusumoto wrote:
Yes Tom I mean a picture like GWTW has never been embraced by ALL
African-Americans but at least one MoPo member (who is black) - wrote
me privately about how she grew up loving Hattie McDaniel, that she
could do no wrong and that the controversy goes back much further than
what is going on now. I think I wrote that what's going on now is just
how younger people look at things and we're all gonna be replaced soon
anyway, things change.
As far as the eBay thing - I spent too much time trying to get the
program re-listed and added the following language to address the
"community standards" violation by presenting historical context, TCM
style:
" This program is presented as an historical artifact of 1939 - and
NOT intended to promote, perpetuate, nor glorify hatred, violence, or
discrimination, on the grounds of race, ethnicity, color, religion,
gender, or sexual orientation. It was recalled after the LA premiere
NOT because of Hattie McDaniel's depiction - but because she was
African-American. Though her performance is no longer universally
admired - this program is an artifact - and its recall illustrates
social and cultural forces in play in 1939 - and why contemporaneous
marketers chose to suppress her performance in the film - despite
receiving critical acclaim. Her character was not how she was in real
life. Her honors and linkages to GWTW are factual - despite debates
about what her performance meant in 1939 - vs. what it means today."
Of course, I thought this was typical overkill that I'm known for -
so I punted. I was aware of the huge result Bruce got last time (and
so did others) - and we wondered if it was a one-off. We're gonna find
out soon. I do think it will fetch more than $100 though - if only
because the Hattie program has appeared just once in his entire
auction history. - d.
P.S. - I remember thinking that my Japanese Internment camp poster
from 1942 was also dicey - but it went big on his site thanks to bids
from a big-time rare book dealer I recognized from LA. I feel that
selling pure history (vs. entertainment) in this case - was gonna be
more difficult than selling movie paper with controversial linkages.
I'm glad I was wrong about that. - d.
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FROM: MoPo List <[email protected]> on behalf of Tom Martin
<[email protected]>
SENT: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:59 AM
TO: [email protected] <[email protected]>
SUBJECT: Re: Movie item banned at eBay.
David and Sean and mopo
since i started in Biz its became very sensitive of Political correct
in the movie biz... for instance the lillian Gish theater in Bowling
green state university 30 mile from was changed because it was
associated with the Dw Griffith film as well as Disneys Song of the
south and other films that depict Black actors as negative I think the
naacp enforced it. However also i believe the native americans have
had issue as well as Jewish community and also Japanese Americans if
their heritage was presented in negative light.. so out of respect we
need to honor those offended by that in sales of memorabilia. I
remember just in the 70s people collected Black memorabilia my friend
John Kish did a book on Black cinema poster called a separate cinema
that had a great collection of Black movie posters ... Spike lee and
also keys did the foreword of the book./// he has the tv show about
people roots I sold to Herb Bridges who wrote books on GWTW and worked
fora Atlanta
newspaper and worked with the Ted Turner Family
so BG has one of the best collections of POP culture in the USA.. i
did some appraisals for the producer of e-hollywood true storys who
donated his material to BG his name was Jeff Shore the producer//they
did some great shows
I guess we need to see everyone is sensitive to past and modify our
sales to not offend any Race, religion or culture the movies if you
consider taught kids racism of how they depicted.. Japanese, Germans,
Italians, china and asians. Russians. Black and middle easterns and
Indians in the early cinema.. sad but true// even the genders and gays
were painted as a certain way and who can forget Al Jolson and black
face comedy we just didn't see many were offended.. Now we do...I dont
have any big answer except to love everyone and respect all.. Mel
brooks made the point if we removed all the gay people there would be
no cinema anymore as all the hair dresssors, actors and make up
artists would not be around..
Therefore love everybody regardless of race or color or religion and
help everybody you can because we are all brothers and sisters
regardless of our heritage God bless everybody and let's hope people
wake up and start treating each other as neighbors not as enemies
Tom
Hollywood dream factory®
since 1977
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FROM: MoPo List <[email protected]> on behalf of David
Kusumoto <[email protected]>
SENT: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:45 PM
TO: [email protected] <[email protected]>
SUBJECT: Re: Movie item banned at eBay.
He has a $30 minimum now - (and I think he'll eventually raise it to
$50 or $100) - and the result earlier on his site could have been a
one-off. Like that Gilda that once sold for $73K at Heritage or that
time when I bid on a Hannah and Her Sisters Australian daybill on
Bruce's site that sold for more than $200. (I ended up buying another
from John Reid or one of the other dealers in Australia for far less.)
Might not happen again, never know. Programs generally don't fetch
much. - d.
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FROM: MoPo List <[email protected]> on behalf of Sean
Linkenback <[email protected]>
SENT: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:33 PM
TO: [email protected] <[email protected]>
SUBJECT: Re: Movie item banned at eBay.
Sounds like you should have just sent it to Bruce to start with.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 9:30 PM David Kusumoto
<[email protected]> wrote:
* JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHAT HAPPENED TO ME RECENTLY.
* A FEW MONTHS AGO, I POSTED A GWTW PROGRAM FOR SALE - the recalled
version featuring Hattie McDaniel on the back. Someone reported me -
and it got taken down and labeled as offensive. I guess whoever
reported me - judged the program as being akin to selling Nazi
memorabilia, I don't know.
* I RE-LISTED IT - BUT HAD TO ADD EXHAUSTIVE HISTORICAL CONTEXT
WHICH I PERSONALLY RESEARCHED - about how McDaniel was banned from
the Atlanta and NYC premieres, etc. - adding citations about the
program itself - from Ron Haver from 1980 and from an LA Daily News
story - the latter reporting the Hattie program's appearance at the
LA premiere she attended in late Dec. 1939 at the Carthay Pacific
(Fox Village Westwood) - through early 1940.
* EVENTUALLY, ALL GWTW PROGRAMS including the blank back ones at the
premieres - were replaced by Selznick marketing executive Howard
Dietz - with programs which took out Hattie and replaced her with
actress Alicia Rhett, who had a minor role. But I got to thinking -
why am I fighting this at all with them? Rare book dealers in the
know have all told me the Hattie programs - are outnumbered by the
blank back ones and the Alicia Rhett ones - by a factor of
thousands. It's the rare circumstance - whereby a commercial program
- can be worth a few hundred bucks or more depending upon condition.
* HATTIE'S PROGRAM WAS NOT BANNED BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED
OFFENSIVE IN 1939-40. It was banned because Selznick / MGM
distribution / Howard Dietz did NOT want to potentially offend
paying customers, esp. in segregated America. On the other hand -
eBay's ban in 2023 - is based upon the program being considered
offensive by TODAY'S cultural standards. These are huge but
important differences.
* SO I TOOK MY PROGRAM DOWN and sent it to eMoviePoster - where it's
supposed to appear in December.
* WHAT I'M IRRITATED ABOUT - is the whole "you have to explain
everything" while defending yourself from people who think you're a
racist - even when it comes to old movie posters. I mean, you know,
you're a branch-to-root racist for selling material considered
offensive today, even if you put it in context to discourage this
sort of takedown. eBay doesn't know who I am, really, though I do
sell a few tschotskes over there like signed first editions, etc.
* BUT WHAT HAPPENED BUGGED ME. This has never happened to me
before. Hattie McDaniel - including her name - was kept off of all
GWTW movie posters and subsequent re-issue posters for 50 years -
for reasons we know. She was given line-credits only - and her
likeness was scrubbed from all promotional materials until 1989. Her
likeness didn't even APPEAR on a re-issue poster until 1998. I
suppose you can't sell posters featuring Amos and Andy, Birth of a
Nation nor the Jazz Singer over there either. Without Hattie, the
first African-American actor to win an Academy Award - GWTW is a
different movie and loses its moral center - regardless of how
people look at her depiction today. To me - she's the smartest
character in the movie.
* BUT APPARENTLY - THIS STUFF IS SELECTIVELY ENFORCED BY THE
"COMMUNITY STANDARDS" POLICE. Because today I stumbled upon the
following listing in lesser condition than the one I own - which I
believe is also in lesser condition than the example eMoviePoster
sold many months ago for more than $2K.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314909361404 [1]
* AND NO, I DON'T PLAN TO REPORT THIS - BUT I THINK THE WHOLE THING
IS NUTTY. Parenthetically, the seller's handle is familiar in a way
that escapes me now. His listing does NOT come up in regular
searches over there, e.g., "Gone with the Wind program." It didn't
for me, anyway. Maybe if you add the search word, "recalled" - it
will come up, but otherwise it's not in the general listings. Just
shaking my head. No reply necessary, just venting. - d.
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