Rich,
in the end, it all depends on whose doctrine you want to follow:
'Success is good, more success is better' (Johannes Calvin) or 'It's
not just good, it's good enough' (Krusty the Clown).
Helmut
*Gesendet:* Samstag, 06. Januar 2024 um 19:49 Uhr
*Von:* "Rich Halegua MPB.auction" <richadmin@mpb.auction>
*An:* texasmu...@web.de
*Betreff:* Re: [MOPO] Aw: Re: [MOPO] Grading VHS Tapes
Helmut
Sean was talking about Buck Jones.
concerning posters, the dynamics are different in europe concerning
prices, but here most poster prices have been static for a long time,
except as yo point out, 1980s horror. I've pointed out that era in my
posts when I discuss the flatlining of poster values
Rich
On 1/6/2024 7:11 AM, Helmut Hamm wrote:
VHS tapes have always been collectible, but it is a market that
has been widely ignored by outsiders for a long time.
Apparently, VHS collecting is not limited to sealed tapes: A few
years ago I spoke to a collector who complained about the vast
number or FAKE VHS paper inlays. To that day, I was not aware VHS
covers were collectible at all, but apparently the market is big
enough that it makes sense to counterfeit the most desirable ones.
Live and learn.
As to the movie poster market: Personally, I can't share Rich's
pessimism. Yes, the market is changing. And yes, Buck Jones once
was at the top of the movie poster food chain. As was William S.
Hart and a few others. On the other hand, I still remember a
leading dealer loudly proclaiming that 1980s posters will NEVER be
worth any money...
I pretty much built my business from scratch, with no money to
speak of. I quit my day job in 1999 and have made my living
exclusively from selling movie posters ever since. I have hardly
sold anything at auction in the last 15 years, and I closed my
ebay shop several years ago and never looked back. Between the
brick-and-mortar shop and the website I'm still doing fine. There
are a number of dealers out there who have proven that it is
perfectly possible to get rich selling movie posters. Too bad, I'm
not one of them. But frankly, that was never really part of the
plan. Like anybody else, I was affected by the Covid lockdown. I
actually liked it and I am opening by appointment only ever since.
Also, two years ago I turned the showroom into my private
exhibition space, so nothing that is on display is for sale. I
always wanted to have a shop where you can't buy anything, so that
is fun.
In a word: For the last 25 years, this business has paid my rent,
has put food on my table and paid for quite a few extravagancies.
What more could I possibly ask for?
Helmut
www.filmposter.net
*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 04. Januar 2024 um 06:18 Uhr
*Von:* "Sean Linkenback" <s...@llpslaw.com>
*An:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
*Betreff:* Re: [MOPO] Grading VHS Tapes
Cool - an actual discussion on MoPo instead of more dealer ads.
So to answer Kirby's original question, Freeman was talking about
gaming cartridges as collectibles and compared them to the beauty
of a Buck Jones or Gloria Swanson poster.
There is no doubt that Buck Jones glory days as a collectible
poster are well in the past, with prices peaking probably 30 years
ago. Swanson may have peaked later, but also on a downward trend.
Take a look at a Buck Jones 1-sheet like South of the Rio Grande,
every time Bruce has sold one over the past 30 years the price has
drifted downward. You can buy one now for well less than half what
it sold for in the 90s. Does anyone honestly expect that to change?
Look at ebay listings for movie posters compared to gaming
cartridges (and even VHS now that they have been thrown into the
conversation).
There are currently over 675,000 movie poster listings on ebay,
with 63,000 sold. VHS turns up over 1.6 million searches with over
210,000 sold (not a one from Heritage I don't believe Peter), and
gaming cartridges an incredible 4 million listings with over
600,000 sold.
Plus look at the sales prices! In just a short(?) amount of time,
there have been VHS sales for higher than Bruce has ever sold a
movie poster, and gaming cartridge prices can make VHS look cheap.
Don't get me wrong, I still love movie paper more than any of the
other categories (and back it up with paying silly prices for what
I collect). But if I was buying just for collectibles sake I'd
rather have the gaming cartridges (or maybe Magic the Gathering or
Pokemon cards).
On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 9:16 PM peter contarino
<mpexchangeu...@gmail.com> wrote:
I was being generous using the word “create” Rich. HNY!
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024, Richard Halegua MPB.auction
<richadmin@mpb.auction> wrote:
but they didn't create the VHS market, not by any measure.
they just jumped on the bandwagon.
On 1/3/2024 5:27 PM, peter contarino wrote:
WATA you talking about Rich. Ha is an extremely
creative company.
Peter
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024, Richard Halegua
MPB.auction <richadmin@mpb.auction>
<mailto:richadmin@mpb.auction> wrote:
Peter, I rarely disagree with you, but I disagree
with you here.
Heritage did not create this market. VHS tapes
were getting a lot of money before HA ever entered
the field.
HA is reactive, not creative. They saw a
burgeoning market, and they joined in to the
hobby, because after all - they are a hobby
auction site, and there was already a lot of money
on the table
the most valuable VHS is a disney Beauty & the
Beast tape, which sold for almost a quarter mil
years before HA ever looked at VHS collecting
that Youtube video is total bullshit
If HA was able to create a market as you think,
then movie posters would be going crazy, which we
both know is not the case, unfortunately.
Rich
On 1/3/2024 2:20 PM, peter contarino wrote:
Scott the reason some people are buying these
is because heritage is “creating” a market for
them.
And people are stupid.
On Wednesday, January 3, 2024, Scott Burns
<sbu...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Surely not *all* VHS tapes are gaining in
value.
If that’s really true perhaps it’s time
for me to rethink my plan to give them
away to some youngster in a VHS Facebook
group rather than sitting them out with
the trash. I have boxes of the blasted
things, including those that belonged to
my parents. Plus boxes of home-recorded
VHS tapes dating back to the very early
1980’s. And let’s not even mention the
boxes of Laserdiscs and LP’s…with a few
cassettes and 45’s, too. (Sorry no
8-tracks! 😊)
I can’t imagine why anyone would want old
lousy picture quality VHS tapes. Even
harder to imagine is someone shelling out
much cash for them. There really is a
sucker born….well you know the rest.
Scott
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<mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> *On Behalf
Of *Rich Halegua MPB.auction
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 3, 2024 3:49 PM
*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Grading VHS Tapes
Kirby
posters are static in value, or worse,
declining. it's a small hobby, younger
people don't really care, and much of what
more modern audiences want in posters are
too cheap to bother with.
on the other hand, vhs & video games are
ascendant & the auctions beat poster
auction totals hands-down.
it's purely a money equation, that posters
are dying, and vhs are gaining
Rich
On 1/3/2024 8:36 AM, Kirby McDaniel wrote:
Why?
Kirby McDaniel
On Jan 2, 2024, at 11:39 PM, Sean
Linkenback <s...@llpslaw.com>
<mailto:s...@llpslaw.com> wrote:
I've seen Buck Jones posters and
owned Gloria Swanson posters - I
think I'd rather have the gaming
cartridges if we are looking at
them as collectibles.
On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 10:29 PM
Freeman Fisher
<00000016869468b6-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
wrote:
Glenn,
CGC is grading video cassettes.
Here is a link:
https://www.cgchomevideo.com/
I am still suspect of them as
a collectible, but there are
people out there with stupid
money, proven by some of the
prices for Gaming cartridges.
A new generation…………who have
never had the joy of seeing a
quality stone litho of a
Columbia Buck Jones poster or
a Gloria Swanson from Paramount
Who am i kidding, they’ve
never heard of Gloria Swanson
or Buck Jones.
Freeman Fisher
On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:49 PM,
Glenn Taranto
<exit82afi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All -
I have a, still mostly sealed,
VHS tape from the original
video release of BATMAN
(1989). It was the first tape
released in LA at the Sunset
Blvd Tower Records location.
There's way more to this story
but the point is...
*Where is the best place to
get a VHS tape graded and how
much does it cost?*
Thanks in advance for your help.
Happy, Healthy and Successful
New Year to all -
Glenn
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