On Sunday 9 September 2007 2:50:23 AM MarshaV writes to Joe Hi Joe,
I didn't understand the language of your answer. Maybe I didn't understand my own question enough to ask it. It might be time for me to adopt a strategy of painting sans chattering. Thank you for writing. Marsha At 03:27 PM 9/8/2007, Joe wrote: >Hi Marsha and all, > >I am trying to avoid a body/soul division. Mind and will are >attributed to the soul. I accept self awareness as an evolutionary >level beyond the organic. IMO the initial moment of self-awareness >is, I am empty, I participate in determined, cosmic evolution, and >in free, conscious evolution. In looking at others I see valuable >behavior creating a form to relationships. Law is realized and the >social >order evolves to the intellectual order. E.g.,the >relationship between man and woman is both willing (I) and >determined (it). IMO society evolves both mechanically and >consciously on parallel courses to the intellectual level of law. >Here cosmic (mechanical) evolution stops. > >Conscious evolution can continue in the individual into two more >levels, a higher social level, a higher intellectual level together >called enlightenment. After the intellectual level the cosmos has no >more need for my awareness, but I do. > >Joe > > > > >Greetings, > >Krimel mentioned the Freewill vs.Determinism problem. Don't these >two concepts melt into Dynamic & static experience? Seems the >either/or disappears into how tightly SPoVs are packed, and how open >patterns are to Dynamic experiences. There is no 'I' to >choose. Patterns of probabilities? Maybe. How do others understand >this problem? > >Marsha Hi MarshaV and all, I am sorry for writing obscurely. I agree: Seems the either/or (Freewill vs Determinism) disappears into how tightly SpoVs are packed, and how open patterns are to Dynamic experiences. I have been laboring over the S/O distinction, and I read Freewill as S, and Determinism as O indicating two streams of evolution. IMO S manifests from conscious evolution and is therefore free. O manifests from cosmic evolution, and is Determined. The subjective (I) is free, evolving consciously. The objective (I) is determined, evolving mechanically according to the dictates of Cosmic evolution. I suppose to be clear I should use the word (It) to describe the activities of the objective (I). I do not think I am the only one who is confused on this point. >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
