[SA previously]
> > I think what your trying to imply here is that
> > choice is ALWAYS involved, correct? So,
> yesterday,
> > when I said to a resident they can either go to
> their bedroom, go to the Time Out Area, or sit at
the
> table up front and in either case the resident will
> conduct a consequence whether it is writing in their
> bedroom or at the table or going in the Time Out
Area.
> The resident was very elevated and explicit about
not
> > wanting to do either. Choices yes, but not
> choices everybody wants.
[Ham]
> Not so, values. I may want
> to read a book, you may want to walk in the woods,
> your resident may want to watch TV.
You see some were combining choice with wants. If
the wants are not met, then choices are restricted.
It seems some see this as negative. I don't agree
with this negative assertion.
Do you see valuing as strictly a want, therefore
valuing doesn't mean it happened?
[Ham]
> Setting a law may change one's behavior, but it
> won't change one's values.
> A person may be considered morally good because he
> does what he's "supposed
> to" -- obeys all laws and gives a share of his
> wealth to the poor, for
> example. Being moral is behaving as one is supposed
> to, for the good of the
> society. We can't judge values by a collective
> standard of what's good and
> not good. Yet it's our choice of values that makes
> us what we are. That's
> why, when an MoQer says something like socialism is
> a "high quality" idea,
> he's speaking from a moral perspective, not a
> valuistic one.
When a moqer is saying "socialism is a 'high
quality' idea" I agree "he's (she's) speaking from a
moral perspective", but also I know the moqer is
valuing "socialism" highly, too.
[Ham]
> Quality implies what is universally good, whereas
value
> reflects what one enjoys,
> desires or aspires to. I maintain that it is a
> mistake to equate these
> human sensibilities.
I see. This might be answering my question I had
above. Does it?
[Ham]
> Man cannot be truly free unless he acts on rational
> self-directed value,
> which is behavior that takes into account the
> well-being of his fellow man.
I couldn't argue against this. This is morally
good and a value that encourages and respects the
quality of each life. I'm not saying it has to be an
exclusive account of reality. What I'm saying is it
is a high quality rational.
SA
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