Hi Bo Bo:> We must have a different notion of what "explanation" means, perhaps > "interpretation" is more close to what I mean. I possibly mentioned my > favourite "cave humankind" who represents the social level at its hey- > day before intellect arrived. Their explanation/interpretation of > experience was that of gods and goddesses, that - for example - the > lights in the sky were such entities, that ALL phenomena were effects > of their will. (Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung). Then came intellect > that looked objectively on experience and explained it accordingly - the > lights were inert heavenly bodies - planets and stars. This explanation > did not spring full-fledged from the Greeks but evolved from their basic > new attitude, that of seeking for OBJECTIVE truth and regarding the > old (in moqtalk) social explanation as SUBJECTIVE nonsense. >
DM: This goes too far. Instead of showing how (with the advance of knowledge and the extension of experience and technology, etc) we in the west moved towards secularism (and SOM as well) -it seems to suggest that the idea of SOM appeared fully formed with the Greeks and lead to western culture. Intellectual history is more complex. >> DM: Well yes,one of the problems with SOM is its focus on order and >> its blindness towards dynamic emergence, etc. > Bo:> This is your comment to Joe's musings but I can't help myself. > "Blindness towards dynamic experience". The static levels are static > for the reason of "being blind to the dynamic" and intellect (SOM) is as > blind as the rest. It's only from MOQ's meta-level that existence's > dynamic/static aspect became manifest. > DM: This is all just wrong, because Pirsig is not so unique, Darwin and Freud and Marx for example all help us to see how there is more change and less order in the world than we once thought. Don Cupitt's tells this story in his Sea of Faith book in 1982. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
