hiya
Matt: ... I'm not sure what angle you're at, but pre-intellect being pre-experience sounds like idealism, the kind Pirsig flirted with in his discourse on ghosts in the beginning of ZMM, because if experience is reality, then before intellect there was nothing. I don't think that's right. One of the things we know about the world, through experience, is that it's been around a lot longer than us, language and a lot of other things. gav: maybe. in the beginning was the word....depends on how you look at it. another way....meaning, truth is apprehended immediately, aesthetically. it is felt. the intellect then *translates* this truth, in doing so it makes the dynamic static, it takes a snapshot, it denotes some*thing*, and we are in the realm of duality, of opposites and truth here appears paradoxical, a riddle, a never-ending quest. but the truth is simple and it is quality or god or Tao or whatever else you want to stab it with. quality therefore is the truth. it is meaning (gonna keep stabbing for the hell of it). it presupposes intelligence: truth and meaning make no sense apart from intelligence. perhaps this is a source of confusion: the intelligence of the tao is prior to intellect, to reflection, but it is an *order*, an implicit order, as opposed to the explicit order created by intellect. so there is a parallel here. in some way quality, pre-intellectual experience, is ordered, is constructed, created by something.... the mythos perhaps. the mythos is the language of the *uni*verse, it is the language of one, of experience, of felt meaning, of simple truth. the mythos is the 'word' that begins? maybe. i think i need to read Ulysses. adieu Matt _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV. http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/national-bingo-night/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
