[SA previously]
> Bo, if I finally have figured out what your saying, then blow me down!
> When you say 'moq' could I instead say 'quality' or 'dynamic quality'?
> I'll wait for your answer before I conclude if I have finally reached
> the point where I understand you.
[Bo]
When I say MOQ I mean "Quality Reality" because the opening
postulate is "Quality is Reality". This is a bit cumbersome, hence
MOQ which has replaced the SOM as reality.
Ok, so, you are saying moq is quality. I understand what your saying.
> [SA previously]
> > > Is it pure experience/direct experience?
> [Bo previously]
> > Of course. We know from ZAMM that Phaedrus reached
> > the
> > insight that some pure - direct - experience
> > preceded (what he
> > called) "intellect" (much like Poincare's "beauty"
> > and James'
> > "aesthetic continuum") this was what later became
> > Dynamic
> > Quality so DQ=pure experience=direct experience.
[Bo previously]
You found this making sense, but then you ought to agree with my
SOL (intellect=S/O) because - as said - ZAMM's first notion was that of
a "pre-intellectual/intellectual" reality in contrast to the reigning
"subject/object" one. The pre-intellectual something (that he called
Quality) spawns Intellect (which is the S/O dichotomy) thus it's plain
that Phaedrus of ZAMM saw intellect=S/O. Why Pirsig of LILA
changed this is a mystery.
Heck no! I don't agree with your SOL. It makes sense, as to what your
saying. I understand you, but this doesn't mean I agree with your SOL. It
makes sense, in the sense that I know what your saying, but it doesn't fit into
what I experience. You can try to overlap all you want over me and think you
know my intellect, but I really don't think you have been able to label my
active intellectualizing. I can't even do that, so, what makes you think you
can? You can map it out, but when I follow your map - I don't find me, I find
you, and I find myself relying upon you more and more just to know this SOL
map. This SOL map is something you made up, and I have difficulties following
along somebodies elses map if I keep having to buy more and more copies of the
map that somebody else made. The more of you or anybody else and the less of
me (which this me includes my wife, son, woods, etc... my everyday life). As
I've said many times in the past, I recognize moq not
solely on its' arrangements and pretty categories. I like the moq due to a
familiarity about it. It puts something into words that I knew before I even
knew there was such a thing as the moq. The moq has encouraged a forum where
if you know the moq language, even a little, you can chat with others that will
understand you a bit more on this spiritual-everyday-living. I like many
events in life due to this 'natural feel' they give off. It's just like home.
Do I carry around everything about the moq in my head and try to memorize
everything about it? No, but freedom is this way.
quietness,
SA
P.S. Bo, my computers been down and in the repair shop so I will not be able
to respond, if you respond to this post, for a long while. I'm using somebody
else's computer today for a short while. Thanks though. In this quietness I
move along.
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