At 07:06 AM 12/5/2007, you wrote:
>[Ham]
>There would have had to be matter in some form (energy and/or gas, for
>example) for such a cosmic eruption; so it is wrong to say that the Big Bang
>marked "the beginning" of existence.  Energy, matter, things do not bring
>themselves into existence.  Science doesn't have an answer to what led to
>the Big Bang, but you're not likely to find a physical scientist disputing
>the fact that something did.
>
>[Krimel]
>You are rapidly dispelling what few doubts I had left that you haven't the
>faintest clue what you are talking about. Even a causal reading of a Wiki
>article should suffice to clear up some of your misconceptions. But I think
>you make a serious misjudgment if you think others here are so profoundly
>ignorant. According to the theory there was no matter, energy or gas before
>the Big Bang. There was no "before" before the Big Bang. The Big Bang refers
>to the instant at which time, matter and space, all of it, came into
>existence. Physicists can specify with a high degree of precision everything
>that has happened since the smallest possible instant of time after the Big
>Bang. They can go no farther because there is no place to go. There was
>nothing before it.

Krimel,

You bet!  I've read the arguments and counterarguments in Wikipedia 
several times.  Ham wants us to adopt his assumptions.  I feel no 
compelling reason to do so.

Marsha

   

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