David, Great post!!!
Marsha At 11:12 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >Ham said: >Coming into being presupposes a primary cause or source. > >dmb says: >Does it? Why? > >I think you're only saying that creatures presuppose a creator. As I >understand it, this quasi-theological nonsense grows out of the >nature of our language, where we say trees are made of wood and >mountains are made of rock, which implies a maker. But trees aren't >made of wood. They ARE wood and they weren't made. They just grow. >Mountains ARE rock and come into being on their own account. The >idea of a maker is called something like "the ceremanic paradigm" >and is common to all the early civilizations. You know, clay is >shapeless and soft until its formed into something useful and fired >in a furnace. The universal use of this technology and the structure >of our languages (and who knows what else) has combined to make us >suppose there's some divine potter behind it all. But still, its >nonsense. From an empirical perspective, I can't think of a single >reason to believe there is such a thing as a primary cause. > >Why do you suppose it is presupposed by things coming to be? Isn't >that based on the assumption that the universe is shapeless and >dumb, like clay? > >Thanks. >_________________________________________________________________ >Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. >http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007 >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
