Hi Ham, I hope you enjoy this festive period too.
Existentially yours, -Peter On 24/12/2007, Ham Priday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Craig, Steve -- > > > [Pirsig, via Steve]: > > "So what the Metaphysics of Quality concludes is that all schools > > are right on the mind-matter question. Mind is contained in static > > inorganic patterns. Matter is contained in static intellectual > > patterns." > > [Craig, previously]: > > This has always seemed a slip of the tongue to me. > > Does anyone else think so? > > You bet, Craig. Trying to assign patterns to existence only demonstrates > the illogic of the whole levels paradigm. One might as well number every > experience encountered, from birth to death, assigning greater value to > the > higher-numbered ones on the premise that experiences are more > "intellectual" > as we become wiser. It makes no sense as an epistemology, and it gets us > no > closer to comprehending reality. A "pattern", as Pirsig uses the term, is > an intellectual construct, nothing more. Therefore, it serves no purpose > to > analyze experience "by the number" or existence "by the level". > > All awareness is differentiated by the intellect, whether the differences > are considered patterned, numerical, polar, oppositional, incremental, or > relational. That makes the experience of reality (existence) multiplistic > in time and space. It is the intellect that classifies existence as > inorganic, biological, social, mental, spacial and temporal. Intellect is > the cognizant function of a human being, not a property or level intrinsic > to objective reality. > > In the same way, anthropologists divide human history into Neolithic, > Mesolithic, and Paleolithic periods. Geologists catalog natural history > as > Cretaceous, pre- and post-Jurassic periods, etc., while historians > distinguish Ancient, Medieval, Renaissance, and Modern ages. None of > these > divisions are innate in the evolutionary process. They are convenient > intellectual distinctions arbitrarily made by scientists to relate certain > events characteristic of a specific era to a system in transition. > Evidently influenced by the categorical approach of Science, Pirsig has > labeled the whole of reality "Dynamic", while applying "Static" to the > system components, even though we experience them as dynamic. As I see > it, > this only confuses the issue. > > In logic (and metaphysics) difference begins with two. Experiential > existence is actualized as a dichotomy of two exclusive but mutually > dependent contingencies: Subjective (valuistic) Awareness and Objective > Otherness. This dichotomy establishes a metaphysical basis for the > experience of difference and the proprietary cognizance of a multiplistic > world. We don't need to block out what we experience into so many levels > and patterns, stages and periods, quanta and macro events, etc., in order > to > relate finitude to its absolute, undivided source. > > Despite our differences, I'd like to take this opportunity to wish you all > a > very Merry Christmas. > > Regards, > Ham > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
