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> Dwai to Marsha:
>
>
>
> Again I think you are making the mistake of
> projecting your ideas
>
> about the gender of Yin and Yang onto this matter.
>
> Yin and Yang are gender-less. The represent duality
> and opposites of
>
> all kinds. Of which, male and female are but a
> infinitesimal fraction.
>
>
>
> While it is true the women are more Yin in nature,
> that doesn't mean
>
> that they lack "Yang". Similarly, men are more Yang
> but don't
>
> necessarily lack Yin. The practice of Tai Chi Chuan
> (a very vital
>
> taoist practice) or Ba Gua or simply Chi Gung is
> about balancing the
>
> Yin and Yang within oneself. Yang power doesn't
> need reconnecting
>
> with. It is developed and harnessed. Similarly with
> Yin.
>
>
>
> I know it is very hard to separate concepts that
> have snuck into our
>
> psyche and marked their grooves. But I hope you can
> drop all
>
> judgement and simply feel the power of this book. In
> my class (Tai
>
> Chi, Taoist meditation) there are both men and women
> and we all
>
> strive to balance and augment each other's practice.
> The Tao is not
>
> the exclusive domain of any one gender.
>
>
>
> Margaret to Marsha:
>
> after reading Marsha's new posts and SA's
> interepretation I am - like
> Ron trying to at least go halfway...
>
> so here we've got a male and a female looking at
> what you and SA are
> saying.
>
>
>
> It's not that I can't embrace some aspect of what
> you are talking
> about...that there is some larger issue about the
> yin/yang; male/female
> energies...Kali/Isis. I too, think it's important
> that both exist
> Kali/Isis - mother/father - creator/destroyer.
>
>
>
> But I'm still having trouble with what point it
> makes exactly. Like Ron
> I feel like it is always our perception that defines
> what we experience
> intellectually.
>
>
>
> from my
>
> point of view (my perception) - there are many
> statements that Marsha
> makes (i.e. the one about 'am I fluttering my
> eyelashes enough?') that
> sound personal and bitter; as if there is this group
> of men out here not
> listening to her because she's a woman and she's not
> 'behaving'
> properly.
>
>
>
> So Laotzu is addressing a group
>
> of men and telling them to "be humble, to be empty,
> to be low, to allow
> the subtle, invisible," and Marsha thinks it would
> be ridiculous to have
> him address a group of women in this way.
>
>
>
> I am like Ron - why would it be ridiculous? Because
> women already have
> these qualities? If that is what you think - I
> disagree. I've known some
> women who are much more calulating, manipulative,
> vain and ignorant of
> subtleties than men I know. I think women and men
> both benefit from this
> advice - it's universal.
>
>
>
> I too, like Ron, feel that there are yin energies in
> men, yang energies
> in women - they flow back and forth. I believe we
> all have some
> genderless characteristics and yet we are not going
> to ever going to not
> have the biological characteristics of having two
> basic genders
> (transsexuals, homosexuals and other variants not
> withstanding).
>
>
>
>
>
> [SA previously]
>
> Well, if it does then your perception seems to
>
> have been off the mark on what Marsha said. So you
>
> have a female problem, not Marsha, for Marsha didn't
>
> bring up a biological female problem, you did. So
>
> how's that work?
> Ron:
> How does this work SA?
> Why are the only statements you have problems are
> the ones that I made?
[SA currently]
Let's start over. Isn't this about what Marsha
said? (Sounds like a game - and Marsha said - ding!)
Margaret and you seemed to jump the topic that Marsha
posted to its' biological female versus biological
male. I pointed out to Margaret how Marsha has
mentioned some things in the past that I've
questioned. I've questioned things about you. I've
questioned myself. I recently questioned Dwai, but
I've heard no response from Dwai. Questions,
questions, and more questions - Where's this going?
You see, I thought Marsha was talking about the
feminine yin that is not fixed to any one level. I
asked Marsha if this is true. She has said yes. Why
the fixation on female? What's the problem with
discussing yin?
woods,
SA
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