Relating Krimel's proposals to MOQ moral principles: > > 1. Open government
[Craig] > Good idea; that's why we already have sunshine laws, Freedom of Information > Act & discovery rules for trials. Compatible with MOQ morality -- needs of intellect for information supersede needs of static social patterns. Exception: privacy of personal income and medical data. > > 2. Public [ly financed] elections [Craig] > It's bad enough to pay the salaries of the clowns we elect. I don't want to > pay for their job hunting expenses too. Incompatible with MOQ morality -- citizens forced to support those who may propose violating intellectual level rights Example: the Patriot Act and censorship proposals such as the Fairness Doctrine. > > 3. Local media [Craig] > If this is really a value for locals, let them pay the going rate > themselves. Incompatible with MOQ morality -- social level attempt to control intellectual level free speech. Numerous media outlets currently available. > >4. Income tax only on the top 20% of incomes. [Craig] > A business that makes a product for $60 & sells it for $100, pays income tax > on $40. A worker that lives on $60 & earns $100, should pay income tax on > $40. Your suggestion is arbitrary. Incompatible with MOQ morality -- social level attempting to interfere in intellect's dynamic free market by punishing productivity, profitability and superior performance. > >5. Freedom of ideas > > Current copyright laws are obscene and should be repealed. [Craig] > This is ignorance of the value of copyright laws; they do not restrict > freedom of ideas. (When did you ever hear someone say: "I wish I knew what > Pirsig says, but damn those copyright laws.") Copyright laws serve (1) the > moral purpose of assuring an author receives deserved payment for his work & > (2) the practical purpose of promoting the creation of ideas. Incompatible with MOQ morality -- social level value attempting to devour intellect's dynamic free market in which the right to own property is fundamental. > > 6. Informed Juries [Craig] > In the marketplace of ideas we can allow falsehoods, half-truths, dubious > claims, crazy theories, along with good evidence & well-supported theories. > In the long run, the latter two should win out. A trial is different--it > is one shot at determining the truth. If an innocent person is convicted, we > cannot make up for it by freeing a guilty one. That is why hearsay & > prejudicial statements, even if true, are not allowed in trials. Craig . Compatible with MOQ morality -- trial by jury is an intellectual value. Allowing juries to judge the law adds moral dynamic element. IMO, applying the MOQ moral framework to these and other issues is what we ought to do to move Pirsig's work from abstract conversation into the nitty-gritty of everyday life. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
