> > [SA ]
> > Yes, the individual worth related to gumption
> >would propel a good discussion into morals. Maybe
> we get trapped in the level system so much, it seems
> to throw us off-track from discussing what we really
> want to get to. The level system works, but it also
> traps and leads the discussion away from what we
want to
> get to. The individual worth, the value and moral
loss
> >this culture involves itself with is depleting.
> Now, how we want to label the individual on any
level, I
> >say throw that labeling out and move on with the
> >discussion, as you two seem to be. Let's get into
> the actual discussion, not labeling what the
discussion
> is about. This is a good start, but on specific
> issues, I wonder where this will go.
> Steve:
> I don't think the idea of the moral hierarchy for
> Pirsig was ever to label individuals. He used
> characters to illustrate types of patterns of value,
> but it is the patterns that get labeled, not
> individuals.
Sure. I agree. I don't see how I said any
differently. I mentioned individual above, but this
was a way to escape the trap of 'what belongs in this
level and that level'. That's intellect spinning
wheels, categorizing like an autistic rainman:
2+2=4,hmm 4 is in the phone book 100 billion times in
Altoona, PA, which has a population of 500,000 and
5+5=10, hmmm 10 is in the phone book, etc... - that's
how I see this categorizing, argue, categorize, argue,
over and over again, as like a mathmatician that
forgets he has a family at home or Scrooge counting $
Christmas Eve, morning, and all the other days of the
year. And if not, well, I laughed while typing this.
woods,
SA
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