Note: the following Posts appeared in the Thread "Music as Intellectual?" Since 
the followings have little to do with that topic, together with Platt, we 
thought better to start another Thread so as not to confuse subjects.
   
  >From pholden, Jan. 3rd: 
  > 
  >    "Excellent. You have nailed the problem with Western culture. The immoral
  >    S/O pattern of thinking is sowing the seeds of our own destruction.
  >    Thanks for spelling
  >   out the problem so clearly and succinctly.".
   
   From Jorge, Jan 5:
   
  >    Platt:  Much obliged. I was puzzled though by you writing: "the immoral  
S/O pattern of thinking". If you acknowledge it as a problem with Western 
culture, how could it be immoral? 
   I'd be thankful if you'd care to elaborate; furst time I hear such a 
proposition; curiosity aroused. 
  . 
   
  From Platt, Jan 5: 
   
  S/O is immoral because it doesn't acknowledge the existence of universal 
moral values, as Pirsig explains: 
   
  "But having said this, the Metaphysics of Quality goes on to say that 
  science, the intellectual pattern that bas been appointed to take over 
  society, has a defect in it. The defect is that subject-object science has 
  no provision for morals.Subject-object science is only concerned with 
  facts. Morals have no objective reality. You can look through a microscope 
  or telescope or oscilloscope for the rest of your life and you will never 
  find a single moral. There aren't any there. They are all in your head. 
  They exist only in your imagination.
   
  "From the perspective of a subject-object science, the world is a 
  completely purposeless, valueless place. There is no point in anything. 
  Nothing is right and nothing is wrong. Everything just functions, like 
  machinery. There is nothing morally wrong with being lazy, nothing morally 
  wrong with lying, with theft, with suicide, with murder, with genocide. 
  There is nothing morally wrong because there are no morals, just functions.
   
  "Now that intellect was in command of society for the first time in 
  history, was this the intellectual pattern it was going to run society 
  with?" (Lila, 22)
   
  The problem with Western culture is "Nothing is right and nothing is 
  wrong." You see it most prominently in the philosophy dominating the 
  academic elite -- relativism and its sister, multiculturism.
   
  Hope this answers you question. Thanks for asking.
   
  Platt   
   

       
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