Arlo said to dmb: What's funny is he chastised you for seemingly implying that the number of results on a google search meant anything, and yet to support his position he links a string of names, as if that means anything... add to that his blindness to even look a little bit further to see the bogus nature of this list. ...Its this "logic" that makes him [Platt] blind to the hypocracy of condemning you for "a list", then turning around and supplying "a list" as a legitimate counter. YOUR list was "liberal", and so it can be dismissed and ridiculed as preposterous, dubious logic. HIS list was "neoconservative" so it must be fair and honest and legitimate.
dmb says: Right. The thing is, the issue is not a battle of lists or even of political bias. The important distinction here is the one between science and politics, between peer reviewed data and vested financial interests. That's how this debate got started. We're talking about the efforts by the current administration to alter and supress information that threatens the profits of giant corporations. The petition project is based on a paper that has not been accepted by any scientific journal. It was written, in part, by a guy who has nothing more than a BA in chemistry and involved no research. This simply can't be compared to the work of atmospheric scientists who collect actual data. (The National Center for Atmospheric Research, as it used to be called, is just up the road in Boulder and my late, great father-in-law was friends with a lot of these guys, so I tend to take this nonsense personally. He thought Al Gore's book was substantially correct, by the way.) anyway, in terms of the MOQ, this is a case of putting social level values over intellectual values (And over the health and well-being of human beings). Besides being short-sighted and downright stupid, it is wildly immoral. Bullshit like that thoroughly deserves to be condemned. I'm not saying the argument is bogus because Platt is immoral, I'm saying the argument itself is immoral. Big difference. _________________________________________________________________ Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
