Heather Zen and the MOQ should never be confused, I'm sure you will agree with this. When it comes to Zen nothing should be said, but if it is to be I think it would be "The mind should be kept independent of any thought that arises within it" from the diamond sutra.
> Chris: >> When the MOQ comes along and says that there really >> is no such thing as thinking... If we recognize this > It becomes much >> easier for us to continue our work of establishing > this new view of >> things (where there is no things) > > SA: Chris, here's a Zen understanding that has to do > with this as follows: > > "A mountain as a mountain and a river as a > river... > It was not a mountain... it was not a river. > ...A mountain is just a mountain and a river is > just a river." > > (Toward a Philosophy of Zen Buddhism by > Toshihiko Izutsu) > > SA continues: Chris, when you discuss the moq aspect > of your understanding I understand what your effort > is. To hammer away with SOM I think muddies events. > Now, to tie what you said to this quote I gave. This > no-thinking and no-things you refer to seem to be the > second sentence in this sequence of events that a Zen > monk described in his experience of Zen. First > sentence, first stage, second sentence, second stage, > etc... Thus, eventually this Zen monk realized that a > mountain is just a mountain - but with a quality twist > - I would say the same kind of quality twist applied > to replacing cause with value in scientific > understandings. One can't rid static patterns. They > will change, but not disappear. > > blue with white puffs, > SA Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
