Jorge:
The problem with Quality in the eyes of many in our
culture is that it's too ambiguous, vague,
indefinable; the classical example of some thing that
can not be put in terms of black or white. For people
that believe that everything can be expressed in terms
of rigid categories, hermetic compartments and
opposed poles, a notion such as Quality is bound to
make them feel uncomfortable.
Ron:
But Jorge, you are defining Quality and Quantity by these very terms.
You maintain that Quantity IS objectively absolute and measurable
While Quality is not. You are using the very rational you express to
hate.
Jorge:
If only we could make Quality more 'tangible'--
they say-- we could come to terms with it; no better
way of making it more tangible, apprehensible than
finding it some analogy in physical terms. The best
candidate for this and other attempts is Energy.
Energy, for a number of reasons, seems to be the best
candidate not only for quality but for quite a number
of other things; it has become a good substitute for
the soul, for empathy... the list is too long. After
all, if "thoughts are energy" (a most preposterous
notion made fashionable lately by a fellow called
Campbell) then, why not everything else we don't
understand?
Ron:
Because, like Quality it defines what we understand and what we don't
understand, it puts it all in the same category, Pirsig mentions
The concept of Quality or "good" as synonymous with Tao and God.
All analogies for patterns we do not fully understand.
'Energy, Quality, Whatever, it is indefinable and non-reducible.
So if you think thoughts and matter are not the same thing, that
Mind and matter are separate entities, that subject and object
Are not one, then what are you doing here on the MoQ discuss?
Other than demonstrating your total lack of understanding of it
And a fine taste for contrariety?
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