[DM] Please read more carefully, I am asking if your views fail to offer protection from these dangers?
[Arlo] And I've said, they do. What I am saying is that we need to stop with the ridiculous fiction of "man versus society" and see it for what it is "man within society". Mozart and Gandhi, who you mention, were not "individuals battling against evil society", they were "individuals made agenic by social participation who's responses to dynamic quality, coupled with their particular static surround, lead to insights and evolution for both social pattens and intellectual patterns. What I am saying is that we need an ecological view that places, on ALL MOQ levels, the individual-in-context. Mozart did not compose "Eine kleine Nachtmusik" in spite of, or in war with, society, his composition was the result of the dialogic interplay between his unique, bound experiences and his participation in the social dialogue of his culture. What I am frustrated with is the "if you don't glorify one, you must be glorifying the other" type rhetoric. If you don't stand up and wag your dick about "the individual" it MUST mean that you see no value in people and want society to kill or enslave people for a greater good. I am saying that conversation has no value. And saying, "well, this is how people think so we have to frame our words for them" is trying to force a better worldview into a lesser one. And I won't do it. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
