BO:
all
who believe that the MOQ is a mere theory ABOUT Quality aren't
true Quality Metaphysicians.
Ron:
In some ways you are correct. Utilization of those intellectual thoughts
in everyday reality as per immediate experience (pre-intellectual) is
A state of experiential enlightenment when wrought through the 4th
level.
Your Q awareness. I've been with you on this.
Bo:
the root of all troubles is Pirsig himself
who in LILA starts with the correct definition:
But even then the assertion that metaphysics is
meaningless sounded false to him. As long as you're
inside a logical, coherent universe of thought you can't
escape metaphysics.
... but then swerves away from it and ends up in the Aristotelian
(SOM) on metaphysic a subjective theory about an objective
something out there. The fact that the "objective" now is Quality
instead of Reality doesn't make any difference, the MOQ as a
subjective theory about objective Quality makes it a SOM variety.
Ron:
When looking at it from SOMOQ eyes it does. Pirsig states it is value
All the way, baby. From atoms to thoughts about atoms.
All patterns of value are static patterns of value, the ACT of the value
function is dynamic. This is not a split. It is like splitting a
particle from the field the cause is the effect, the effect is the
cause.
Bo:
Only the clear cut of declaring the DQ/SQ as the Quality Reality
gives the MOQ its mighty explanatory power. Without it, it's
impotent.
Ron:
We have no way of knowing if DQ is actually a separate entity from SQ
As far as I understand Pirsig, DQ is SQ. one does not exist without the
Other, two aspects of a single phenomena, Quality. In SOM terms it is
A rather difficult concept as you stated.
MoQ in MoQ terms, just is, as patterns of quality that an SOMOQ ist
Would view as a subjective theory about an objective
something out there.
IMO
Back to my nap.
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