Hi Ham Pleased see comments below.
Regards David M > This epistemology seems oddly construed and is difficult to follow. If > "we > do not begin by experiencing abstract qualities," where does experience > begin? DM: Qualities are not originally abstract, they are always qualities that we are responding to, we are not detached spectators, qualities belong to aspects of the environment we are responding to, a blue sky for example is something that is attractive to us, it manifests an attractive environment in which we find ourselves participating, a darker sky is noticed as a less favourable environment. > > I agree that quality (value) implies feeling, but I don't understand what > you mean by experiencing "engaged qualities". DM: We always have feelings about what we are experiencing: we are engaged. We are not detached observers but actively responding, i.e. changed by the effects on us of the environment, perception is causal & active-responsive change due to the environment not detached observartion Experience is the result of a change process that is both causal and active. Human consciousness would seem to be natures most complex solution to the problem of causal indeterminacy at the 4th level. Your reference to > "re-cognition SQ" suggests that it may mean qualities recalled from > memory. > But there must be an initial encounter with the color blue, for example, > in > order for us to recall blue in a subsequent experience. DM: Yes, what begins as DQ can develop into SQ patterns and repeats, only then can such re-experiences be re-cognised. > Try this on for size. We are all "attuned" to Value because our core self > is value-sensibility. But since the self is finite and dependent on the > limited capacity of the organic sensory apparatus, we differentiate value > into experience and interpret it as objective phenomena (beingness). > Thus, > the objects we experience are intellectualized constructs of Value > perceived > incrementally in space/time. What we imagine as our psycho-emotional > response to objects and events in an external world is actually a "virtual > reality" created by our neuro-sensory breakdown of Value. DM: Certainly experience is a psycho-drama and 'the world' and 'objects' are cultural constructions. And yes both our bodies and our languages and our cultures do clearly set about differentiating and analysing all the different riches of value-experiences that are avaiable to us. > Like the developing organism, consciousness is a process in time, so that > as > the "field" of sensible value changes from one moment to the next, so does > our apprehension of physical reality. DM: No we try to make sense of experience not physical reality, physical reality is an idea we construct to make sense of our experience. A good idea but one that we need to take care describing. The MOQ suggests that a metaphysical dualism is a flawed way to describe our experience. This is why I view existence (i.e., > being-aware) as a "dynamic" system, rather than static. DM: MOQ suggest that making sense of experience requires seeing both the static and dynamic aspects of our whole quality-value-experience. The only "static" > reality is the immutable source (Essence); DM: You mean never changing, SQ in MOQ only means something that repeats to make an identifyable pattern. > but because we do not experience > essentially but only differentially, DM: All the SQ is how we differentiate our experiences for the MOQ. the life-experience of each individual > is a passing > panorama of events. Sensible values are also "relational", so that our > valuistic responses range from the ecstatic to the abhorrent, depending > how > we interpret a particular experience relative to our self. DM: Much the same for MOQ, we values patterns differently and we often value negatively the loss of patterns, i.e destruction, negative DQ. Does this help to clarify how I see the MOQ? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
