On Wednesday 27 February 2008 216 PM Ian writes to Peter, Joe I was browsing the Ham / Joe thread thinking, where is this going ? Saw someone pick up on the IV - V - I progression and thought, hang on, we're playing the blues. Yet still attracted to "harmonic" explanations, of things that arise in complex adaptive systems - and the useful "rules of thumb" (of 7, or 3, or 80/20, or octaves, or fractals, or Fibonnaci series) that people extract from these patterns - like cicada reproductive cycles. Of course seeing the repeated patterns / numbers as fundamental causal "rules" is the deadly error. Harmony is the clue, not the cause. Ian Hi Ian and all, I am trying to get my mind around: ³Harmony is the clue, not the cause.² In some way to know anything is to know a pattern. IMO in Pirsig¹s view a part of that pattern is a DQ perception of value. I can see value as harmony, but the perception of value precedes harmony. In tying to get a handle on that perception numbers are useful. 1 is unknown, 3 is unknown, only the possibility of 3+3 is knowable theoretically. It is not until 3+3+3+3 can a harmony of spheres arise and a knowable pattern be established, unless one of the spheres is seeing the harmony. In Marsha¹s post about the terror of her two year old grandson to a maybe automobile backfire, harmony or time becomes a factor and a buffer for her, not her grandson. Joe
On 2/29/08 11:08 PM, "MarshaV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greetings, > > Once when my grandson was not yet two-years-old, we went out to the > backyard to explore. Hunter had wondered to the other side of the > yard to investigate a stick. He picked it up and with great pride > turned to show it to me. Suddenly there was a loud noise somewhere in > the neighborhood. It was maybe an automobile backfire. A look of > absolute terror spread across his face, and I could sense the > adrenaline shooting through his body. He dropped the stick and with > open arms started to run towards me. He ran as if a large black > leopard was chasing him. I scooped him up, held him tight and kissed > his face from forehead to chin, ear to ear, until we both felt safe. > > That was a moment I saved until now. > > Marsha > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
