> > Ron: > Right I am not rejecting superiority and I am expressing my opinion. > my opinion is that Quality comes before morality. > Quality may not be defined.
Platt: I hate to disappoint you but Pirsig is clear: "Because Quality is morality. Make no mistake about it. They're identical. And if Quality is the primary reality of the world then that means morality is also the primary reality of the world. The world is primarily a moral order." (Lila, 7) Ron: How does this explain your stance? Quality is morality, morality is reality Reality is experience. Your experience in particular. So it is your opinion On what is superior. Ron prev: > what I do not care for is how MoQ is used as a measuring staff. > I think that RMP used the level system as a model to illustrate > The value system of static Quality, not a guide to distinguish > An absolute type of morality for it is all about individual opinion. > If one Philosophilogolizes Pirsigs MoQ to promote their own opinions > They are not reading all of Pirsigs words. Platt: Well yes, it's all about personal opinion. But, it's Pirsig's opinion that each moral (reality) level is superior(reality) to it's lower one. My opinion is he is right. Ron: That reality is superior to reality? If, by your own words morality equals reality then your statement is contradictory and makes little sense. Or is it reality is superior To human perception of it. That makes sense. Ron prev: > The Danger of using MoQ in this way is that of intellectual prejudice > Which MoQ does not support. Pirsig rails against prejudice, that is > What is so vile about SOM. It evokes a foolish elitist prejudice > Which blinds. Much the same way you use the level system to define your > Superiority, and in much the same way it blinds you as SOM does. > > Superiority only exists for the one distinguishing it. > Reality only exists to the one experiencing it. Platt: I would say you are blind to the fact that some things are superior to others. Ron: No, I am not denying superiority from my own opinion, But I realize that it is all that it is, my own. It serves Great pragmatic purpose and great care must be taken To develop it. > Platt: > Quality equals reality. Quality equals morality. Ergo, reality equals > > morality. > > Ron: > The truth is indefinable; Quality is formless And takes on infinite > distinction. Platt: Since all you say is indefinable and formless, I take it with a grain of salt. It might be helpful if you could cite specific examples of my "glorification of intellectual distinction," whatever that means. Ron: You are doing it now defending your opinion of superiority. Platt, if you would, define your superiority less what it refers to. This might be a good start. Ron prev: > This is not my opinion, it is Robert Pirsigs. If you ask me to Quote him > Then I'm afraid you really do not understand the meaning of my words. Platt: Do you think the reader is responsible for understanding what you say? Or could it be your obligation to make your views clear? Ron: Please cite which views are not clear and I will do my best To clarify them. Thanks Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
