Chris and Krimmel On 8 March Chris wrote:
> Uhm. Well, but what is called intelligence is boiled down to "using > your mind" Observing things, drawing conclusions etc. Surely you see > how this springs from the idea of mind as a separate entity. This is > really what the practice of Zen is trying to bash. I don't see the > conflict. I believe we say the same thing. "Intelligence" is using brain, but not necessarily for intellectual purposes. When "my" craw sits on the ground tilting its head at the (small) bird's food, it clearly "observes things" and in its brain the logical circuits "draws conclusions", but this is intelligence in biology's service (finding food primarily) , but during the Q-evolution this original biological pattern became adopted by the social and an intellectual levels in turn. But while biology and society don't know any inner/outer split, intellect's sees everything through its S/O glasses; To it brain is matter and its "conclusions" is mind, thus at the 4th level the terms (intelligence and intellect) are confused , both are the mental fallout of brain's workings. You see this intellectual fallacy with Krimel > Not to step on Marsha's toes here but your assessment above strikes me as > deeply confused. Reason is no less a subjective process than emotion. They > are both modes that individual subjects have available for apprehending > and processing information about the external, objective world. He thinks that "all is subjective" is some profound revelation that no- one has discovered, he has no inkling that this is intellect's eternal see-saw: To the materialist intellect (mind) assess the external world objectively, to the Subjectivist the external world is mind too. There is nothing but intellect!!!! This SOM-induced dead end is what the MOQ upends, but no-one seems to have noticed and think along the old beaten path. "Christ, it ain't easy" as John Lennon sings. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
