Hi Krimel 10 March u wrote:
> [Krimel] > I get it but I am pretty sure you do not. The problem with the mind > body issue is the notion that reality is fundamentally dualistic. If > so how does one of these aspects relate to the other? If on the other > hand we regard "mind" as an emergent property of matter the problem > goes away. Within the MoQ this is what the levels reveal, biology > emerging from the inorganic and so forth. The MoQ shows how this can > happen as stability arises and is sustained in the face of change. We are on the same track (parallel at least), I vouch for every word of this paragraph ... except that of me not getting it, I understand perfectly what the problems are with the mind/body divide (an offshoot of the S/O root) I particularly liked your "if we regard "mind" as an emergent ...etc" part. Your quotation marks hopefully indicates that it's not mind in the SOM sense, but that the biological brain's ability to store experience, retrieve it and play around with it via logical loops what makes for INTELLIGENCE. With the coming of the intellectual level and its S/O this function became something going on inside a mental realm, inside a mind. This makes the mind/matter problem go away, it dissolves the SOM-indued paradoxes. > [Krimel] > The point is that the perception of ourselves and others as subjects > and objects is a biological predisposition of our species. Tomasello > is a developmental and comparative psychologist not a philosopher his > observations are based on studies of infants and nonhuman primates. The biological level has a self/not self distinction - a biological necessity for an immune system, but it's not about subjects and objects in the intellectual sense. This biological distinction was adopted and refined by the social level where the individual got personhood, name, ancestry and a host of other settings, but sociol VALUE is the "common cause" that spawned groups beyond the family: Klans, tribes, nations ...etc. Yet, even if a social level person (by this I mean at an age before intellect) perfectly well knew the difference between himself and his fellow tribesman, this was not intellect's subject, the fundamentally isolated entity, shut off from subjects and the reality "out there". Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
