Hi Ron
18 March u wrote:
> Descartes' Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain is a book by
> neurologist Antonio R. Damasio, in which the author presents the
> argument that emotion and reason are not separate but, in fact, are
> quite dependent upon one another.
I have that book, but you must understand that the MOQ turns
circles around everything previous conceived of. What Damasio
calls "emotion" can be translated to the social level and "reason"
to the intellectual, back in this discussions early age I suggested
a level "expression" list that went like this:
Interaction - Sensation - Emotion - Reason
What Damasio means by emotion and reason not being separate
is what Pirsig calls "roots", if you examine any level deep enough
you will reach a point where its blends with its parent.
> Damasio argues that the body is the genesis of thought.
Right, if you have pursued Reason (intellectual thoughts) down
into Emotions (social thoughts) and continues you will end up in
the Senses (biological thoughts) for good measure under that are
"inorganic thoughts" My "interaction" was mor for rhyme's sake,
but inorganic patterns do interact,
> The philosopher René Descartes developed a method of reasoning based on
> the indisputable observation that if we think, we must exist. However,
> Damasio examines the physiological processes that contribute to the
> functioning of the mind and therefore proposes the idea that thinking
> is inherent to a body in which no spirit exists. The fundamental
> difference in argument situates itself in that thought is a
> physiological function, based on anatomy making the statement "I think,
> therefore I am" a repetition. It essentially becomes "I am, therefore I
> am" when Damasio's principle of the body-mind rather than dualism is
> applied. This presents the reason why the work is titled Decartes'
> Error.
Sure, every word is true, Damasio is one of the many SOMists
who point to errors with the SOM, but without a metaphysical shift
its in vain, Damasio is however a superb scientist.
> Damasio explores in depth the famous case of Phineas Gage. While
> Gage's intelligence remained intact after his brain was damaged in an
> 1848 accident, Damasio believes that Gage's ability to reason and make
> rational decisions became severely handicapped because his emotions
> could no longer be engaged in the process. Damasio uses this and other
> brain-damage cases to develop his thesis on emotion and its
> relationship to human activity. He argues that rationality stems from
> our emotions, and that our emotions stem from our bodily senses. The
> state of the mind, or feeling, is merely a reflection of the state of
> the body, and feeling is an indispensable ingredient of rational
> thought.
Yes Reason is out of Emotion, Intellect is out of Society. Wonder
what Damasio would have thought about the MOQ? The said
book was published in 1994 so he had hardly heard about LILA
(1991) but then thinkers/writes don't bother much with other
people's ideas. They keep re-inventing wheels and gunpowder.
IMO
Bo
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