At 04:07 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote: >Marsha, Krimel, Arlo .. > >21 April Marsha wrote: > > > > >[Krimel] > > > >I think you are highlighting the problem of confusing Quality and > > > >DQ. Static and Dynamic are aspects of Quality. If we ignore this > > > >then we get the formulation that you give. Another way of seeing > > > >this is that order is a subset of chaos. Order arises as logical > > > >probability from all the probabilities available. But as a > > > >practical matter is still makes sense to distinguish between order > > > >and chaos. Same deal with dynamic and static. > >I insert Arlo's here: > > > [Arlo] I don't like it either. If we say the DQ-SQ split is the primary > > division of Quality, then how can DQ and Quality be the same thing? What > > is Quality in LILA if the Quality of ZMM is the DQ of LILA? What is the > > Quality that DQ is a division of? > >I don't see any problem with Quality being DQ, it removes the >platypus of a Quality outside the MOQ something that >perpetuates the somish (Kantian) problem of an ineffable reality >that we make up theories about, only now the said reality is called >Quality. > >The DQ/SQ configuration is the primary axiom , your enigma: ".... >how can DQ and Quality be the same thing?..." stems from the >infamous box diagrams that makes the divided entity remain >unscathed behind, it may work for motorcycles, but not for reality. > >Your next quandary: "What is Quality in LILA if the Quality of >ZMM is the DQ of LILA?" The Quality of ZAMM gave rise to >subjects and objects (SOM) that became the "Classic" (subtitled >"intellect") part of that moq (no "classic" levels. So you see had >this "intellect" been carried over into the final MOQ all would >have been fine, ZMM and LILA would have been harmonized, as >it is the are worlds apart. > > > >[Marsha] > > >I cannot find it, but somewhere RMP explains that the DQ of the MOQ > > >is equivalent to the Quality of ZMM. Maybe Platt knows the location > > >of the exact quote. > > > >[Krimel] > > >It was in a letter to Paul Turner in response to a question about > > >this. I remember being horrified not only at the answer itself but > > >the off handed delivery of the response which was kinda like; well, > > >if you want to think of it that way, why not? By conflating Quality > > >and DQ we in effect remove Quality from the MoQ. This would give us > > >the MoDQ. I find this to be absurb but by now it should be obvious > > >that Pirsig has nothing to fear from me at least when it comes to > > >regarding his pronouncements as 'authoritative'. > >I also had a hunch that Pirsig had said so - something I credited >him for - but it's not in the Paul Turner letter I constantly refer to, >could you be more specific and provide the actual quote? > > > > Greetings Krimel, > > > Thank you for finding the reference. I remember you stating that too > > much has been said about DQ. Is that true with the exception of your > > definitions? Quality, Dynamic Quality, the Way, NoThingness, > > Emptiness. All are names for something that cannot be conceptionally > > known. Do you disagree? > >I don't quite get your point, the fact that reality's (=Quality's) >dynamic component is part of the MOQ can't by no twist of logic >be a "definition" and thus an desecration. I used the example of >religions that postulate a God/World split, but God is still as >sacred. Yet, it struck me just now, this may have wider >ramifications. The pious thinks that God is from before "religion", >is it the same piety that surfaces as a demand about a Quality >from before the MOQ? > > >Bo
Greetings Bo, My point is that to put DQ in a box, or metalevel, is a definition (maybe visual) of containment. When you talk about god, I haven't any idea what you are talking about. Marsha Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
