Magnus about Pirsig:
> If he had investigated these dilemmas, if he had
> *trusted* the
> metaphysics he had discovered, he would have been
> able to find much
> better answers, and in doing so, discover so much
> more about the nature
> of the levels. But instead, he just said:
> - Phhhff, guys, guys, I was just kidding. Don't take
> it so literally.
SA: This is why I find the levels an analogy of the
moq. They are useful, but to take the levels too
literally is to say that static patterns are all the
exist. Dynamic quality is still here. The levels
are, as we know, static patterns.
Magnus:
> BTW, the dilemma in the quote above is very simple
> to solve. Atoms are
> not societies because they are not held together by
> social value, but by
> inorganic value. On the other hand, ants are not
> held together by
> inorganic value, there's no gravity,
> electromagnetism etc. involved.
SA: Yes they are. Ants are made-up of atoms. Don't
see what you mean here.
I do think your society analogy works, but you
do need to explain what you mean by societies in the
context you understand. It is understandable. I've
also found the social level being restricted to humans
as not allowing dq to 'flex its' muscles' in the
social level for anthropology has contributed much
into the field of societies by learning about
primates. Each level must be open to new information
or else the levels would simply die away.
Magnus:
> They are also not held together by biological value,
> if it were, the ant
> finding food wouldn't tell the others about it but
> just stay there and
> eat it. It's simply a textbook example of a social
> pattern.
SA: Oh, I see what you mean now. They do seem to
assert social patterns. I understand ants pass
information via biological values, but the posturing
is social it would seem.
SA
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