Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [Krimel] > > Science is threatened by religion? That's news. Name a single instance of > > a conflict between them that religion has won. > > [Platt] > The realm of the spirit not to mention morality. > > [Krimel] > So religion wins hands down when science takes no interest? I have found at > red lights that my little Yaris kicks the crap out of Corvettes, BMWs and > Mercedes all the time when only I know we are racing.
I have no idea what you're talking about. > [Platt] > But as to threats, why is science so defensive about religion if it > doesn't feel threatened by it? Take Dawkins, for example. > > [Krimel] > Since you are so well read on Dawkins perhaps you could provide some > examples from his work. "The God Delusion." > In the mean time here is an example given by Dawkins: Albert Einstein who > was ridiculed and reviled by believers for saying that he did not believe in > a personal God. If he felt threatened it was certainly not the threat of > higher intellect. It would been fear of being beset by idiots: > > "An American Roman Catholic lawyer, working on behalf of an ecumenical > coalition, wrote to Einstein: > 'We deeply regret that you made your statement . . . in which you ridicule > the idea of a personal God. In the past ten years nothing has been so > calculated to make people think that Hitler had some reason to expel the > Jews from Germany as your statement.'" > > "A New York rabbi said: 'Einstein is unquestionably a great scientist, but > his religious views are diametrically opposed to Judaism.'" > > "The president of a historical society in New Jersey wrote... > 'We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do not > seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found through the > telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or emotion can be found > by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based on Faith, not > knowledge.'" > > "the Founder of the Calvary Tabernacle Association in Oklahoma: > Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in America will answer > you, 'We will not give up our belief in our God and his son Jesus Christ, > but we invite you, if you do not believe in the God of the people of this > nation, to go back where you came from.' I have done everything in my power > to be a blessing to Israel, and then you come along and with one statement > from your blasphemous tongue, do more to hurt the cause of your people than > all the efforts of the Christians who love Israel can do to stamp out > anti-Semitism in our land. Professor Einstein, every Christian in America > will immediately reply to you, 'Take your crazy, fallacious theory of > evolution and go back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying to > break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome when you were forced > to flee your native land.' > > Finally here is one that should be near and dear to your heart: > > "Other Catholic clergymen chimed in: 'There is no other God but a personal > God . . . Einstein does not know what he is talking about. He is all wrong. > Some men think that because they have achieved a high degree of learning in > some field, they are qualified to express opinions in all.'" What's your point? > > [Krimel] > > Even if I granted your list and let you add the Piltdown man and cold > > fusion, the internet with all its storage could not contain the list of > > wrong answers provided by people who didn't know what they were talking > > about. But these are the people you run to first. > > [Platt] > What wrong answers? Given by whom? Who named you infallible? > > [Krimel] > Ok, this has to be my half dozenth post. I could be wrong. Help me out here > and give me some examples of people who don't know what they are talking > about and yet turn out to be right. Besides you that is. After all we are > only half way there in your case. Say what? You're beginning to spout gibberish. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
