> [Krimel] > Maybe the box diagrams are not as famous as you think. I have no clue > what you are talking about here. DQ/SQ is a split that divides > Quality. Quality can be recognized as forms in stasis or forms in > flux. It's pretty simple.
Try to muster your logic. The DQ/SQ dualism STARTS WITH THE SAID SPLIT, no Quality before this division and no such are still sitting atop of it all. You see this trick exposed in case of SOM (on page 243 in my ZMM) where Pirsig makes it look like a "reality" is ahead of the subject/object-division. This is wrong, it's directly S/O-divided, no reality before or afterwards. And this is about all, try to concentrate on these points. [Krimel] I think this might be at the heart of why we don't talk much. You think I don't 'get' the MoQ and I think you are just blowing smoke up your own ass. You are seeing the world carved up in Venn diagrams, as sets neatly parsed with interlocking circles. You see self containing boxes stacked like Russian dolls. I think that is good in so far as it goes but as my friend Case once said, "Things don't cleave, they shatter. All the pieces scatter. Distinctions that should matter turn to gray. And yet in every spot of gray, we see that white and black still play." You want things in black and white, in this and that, neat categories of slips filed in a trays. I agree with you whole heartedly that Pirsig misses the point but we don't agree at all on the points he misses. If you are at all interested in how I see the MoQ, which I suspect you are not but what the heck, all you have to do is watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GBwuYuOOs This IS the MoQ in minute and 40 sec. This is the moon Pirsig's finger points toward. It is all there: static and dynamic Quality fighting it out on the cutting edge of infinity and oblivion. You see the levels and their self similarity across scales. It is the winding path of The Way; heaven in a grain of sand with the host of angels dancing on the head of a pin. It is a freight train rolling down the cutting edge of reality. You can make yourself feel all smug and just ignore me after all Krimel doesn't 'get' it and Krimel 'never "bought" the MOQ' anyway. But if you truly want to "see the plot" and to unravel the mystery figure out this video. It is not just some cartoon. It is not just pretty pictures. It is life, the universe and everything It *_"IS"_* the MoQ. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
