Hi Krim I kinda see religion, in its historical perspective, as attempting to also make sense of existence, what else is it? I guess it has also been social control and this aspect needs to be separated out and treated differently I'd suggest, and all the other stuff. The thing is you don't want to hang your experiences on certain religious talk, I think we are gonna have to accept others do, the more important job is getting them to recognise our rights too. Fundamentalism needs ditching on both sides of the culture wars.
DM > [DM] > I don't think either of you have got what I mean. Let's say we drop any > talk of god. Rather I imagine that if we accept an MOQ outlook this would > in no way stop some people wanting to respond to the totality of > experience- > reality in a religious way (in the broad sense of this term), i.e. with > feelings of awe, reverence, thanksgiving, and a feeling of cosmic purpose. > These are common human experiences that I doubt are removed by > changing your metaphysics. Some people have these experiences, > others do not. Seems to me the MOQ has less reason to dismiss the > reality of all sorts of experiences than say materialism or Platonism > does. > > [Krimel] > My problem is not at all with the feelings but with what we make of them. > Dawkins, Sagan, Hawking, Wilson, Einstein and lots of other scientists > have > described having these feelings without attaching theological or at least > not doctrinal significance to them. In fact I would say they are asking us > to reapply these feelings to a greater understanding of the universe and > our > place in it. And to that end I think the MoQ has something to say. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
