Hi Arlo, not sure where you were coming from with the quoted sentence.
"some things are better than others",

But, Yes.
Ian

On 6/9/08, Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Craig/Ian,
>
> Are we confusing the sentence "some things are better than others" with
> "some people are better than others"? Not "better at", mind you, just
> "better"? Is that what drives this? The need to proclaim superiority? Or the
> need to proclaim someone else "inferior"?
>
> What we are seeing is (as is most always the case) a pendulum swinging
> perhaps too far in the opposing direction but one whose arc was defined by
> the history it opposes. Have we gone "too far" in creating some ridiculous
> situations to appease a false sense of "fairness"? Perhaps. Maybe. Sure. But
> one has to remember where we've been, and the gross injustices of that
> opposing swing before one can simply condemn where we are.
>
> For every kid that is given an award so "he doesn't feel left out", we have
> children now who are given opportunities to learn in environments they may
> have failed at in the past. I can accept (but still be critical of) excesses
> in this direction, but I know the converse excesses, and they were no
> better. So one can, in good talk-radio hype mode, cite those ridiculously
> absurd cases that appear in the news where so-and-so school doesn't allow
> its teams to keep score, or so-and-so's class gave every student an award
> "just to make everyone feel good", but we now have a world where a child's
> failure is examined critically and rather than simply pass the child off a
> "loser" (as seems to be need for some), we can give that child an
> opportunity to excel in alternate environments. Rather than get our
> collective rocks off by hierarchically labeling people, we can do our best
> to provide the opportunity for more to excel.
>
> And as far as I know, despite the hype examples trumpeted on talk-radio,
> there are still Valedictorians across the country, there were winning
> football seasons and losing football seasons. There was a spelling bee
> champion and someone who has to repeat the tenth grade. The "right" can rest
> assured that we are still very much a hierarchical people, who put those who
> succeed on pedestals and brush aside those who fail.
>
> In the meantime, we should argue the case that "failure at" does not imply
> "failure". Nor does it imply some fixed, unchanging status. Conversely, we
> should remember that "better at" does not mean "better" in the sense of some
> existential human worth. The star athlete may be undeniably "better" at
> wrestling than his classmates, but can he build a wooden elephant that
> lights when you pull the trunk?
>
> And as regard to "equalization" being the reason our schools "fail", I think
> a far stronger argument shows that failures we do see are the result of a
> lack of value; individual, familial and communal. Once again, Finnish
> culture places an even far greater emphasis on "equality" than our own, and
> yet their schools excel fantastically.
>
> And now onto the nonsense. The idiotic catch phrase repeated as nauseum,
> "typical leftist...". I could argue (easily) that the most insidious assault
> on "language" going on in the modern dialogue is the attempt to reframe good
> and evil as "conservative" and "liberal", while it attempts to redefine the
> far-spectrum wing-nuts as the "middle" (essentially defining even the
> slightest movement to the left or right as "radical" and "evil" and a
> "threat to liberty"). On both ends of the spectrum, we have ideologues who
> do nothing but drumbeat fear, fear, fear while painting the grossest of
> caricatures of any who digress in the smallest amount from there far-wing
> beliefs. And while I expect this from ideological blowhards like Limbaugh
> and Soros, it is the height of embarrassment that it appears here at all,
> let along with such repetition and unabashed idiocy.
>
> The tenor, then, of Platt's post was not to draw criticism or conversation
> to some examples of excess, nor to initiate a dialogue on the historical
> points our modern situation is in reaction to. It offers nothing except the
> glib, moronic "fear" that "leftists" are destroying education (the same way
> they are destroying the family, the nation, the individual, the economy, the
> environment, agriculture, science, healthcare, marriage and pizza pie).
>
> And to that end it uses the Big Bad Spectre of "Social Engineering". Except
> I am just not sure what I am supposed to fear here? That wheelchair bound
> kids are given respect and opportunity? That when a child fails, all
> involved (child, family, teachers, school) should intervene to find out
> "why", and then seek to do what is possible to give that child a chance to
> excel? That if a gay child is in the classroom, the other kids are told to
> respect that? Or does this go all the way back to the race issue? Is this
> "social engineering" the latest buzzword for "integrating black kids and
> white kids"? Was forcing the states to recognize inter-racial marriage an
> example of evil social engineering? What about forcing communities to let
> blacks drink out of the same water fountains?
>
> Now, are we passing kids who should not be passing. I see it often. And
> there are many reasons. And none of them are "social engineering" or
> "equalization". If you want to talk about that, I am game. If its just
> moronic fear about "leftists destroying _____", then it should be condemned
> as DMB did.
>
> Arlo
>
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