Marsha:
> I do not understand people who think that human beings are
> so special. 
> Humans seem to be very mentally ill.  I think of
> Wagner's Ring Cycle, and 
> the cruel, Nibelung dwarf creatures that live underground. 
> Suppressed 
> patterns that become distorted and morph into creatures
> that take on a life 
> of their own.


SA:  I've been surfin' the web, found some stuff on Wagner in NPR.  I'll keep 
checkin' it out.  I think I found a stream of his "Ring Cycle" on NPR.  I saved 
it for when I get a chance to listen.  I guess they have a reputation for being 
long, but the philosophical tones and music are well worth the wait from the 
commentaries I came upon.  One commentary said it is long, but by the end you 
get this feeling of 'wow'.


Marsha:
> To me that is what the descent is about.  
> No pot of gold at 
> the end, just being a more honest person.  Clearer. 
> Braver.  I think that 
> makes trying to get this emptiness thing so important too. 
> Hoping it will 
> sweep away all kinds of muck.  It has to some degree
> already, but not nearly 
> enough.  The descent is much more personal, frightening,
> painful.

SA:  It is important to hold.  Sustaining is important.  This is where focus 
comes in.  This is where static latching occurs.  As Huineng would say, 'There 
is no muck'.  Quote as follows:

     "There is no Bodhi-tree,
      Nor stand of a mirror bright.
      Since all is Void,
      Where can the dust alight?"

     This was his response to Shen Hsiu's:

     "Our body is the Bodhi-tree,
      And our mind a mirror bright.
      Carefully we wipe them hour by hour,
      And let no dust alight."


     I see "muck", I see misguiding distractions.  Yet, muck and misguidings 
are interesting, don't you think?  Aren't they static patterns, if we hold to 
what dmb calls the status quo?  Thus, morals in whose time has passed and are 
on their way out.


Marsha:
> George Walker Bush is a national mirror.  But so is Paris
> Hilton and Joan Rivers.

SA:  yes, I agree.

Marsha:
> Well, maybe I should be quiet now.  Your poetry seems to
> have inspired me. I 
> have started with 'I danced you across the stickiness
> of honey.  Sealed you 
> into cells of memory.'  The 'you' is Siegfried.
>  There is a certain 
> satisfaction in painting with words.  Don't know where
> it will go, but it's on the move.

SA:  Yes... quiet... good idea... I think I'll be doing the same.  I could use 
the rest.


SA


      
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