Marsha:
> Maybe you can explain.  First there is muck, than there is
> no muck, then 
> there is muck again.  What do you think?

SA:  I think the first muck is bothersome samsara.  I think no muck is the void 
effort.  It is the effort to live nirvana.  The third muck is the void has been 
here along and muck or no muck is handled in a void way.  Thus, the third muck 
is:  nirvana is samsara or samsara has been nirvana all along.  The third muck 
is experienced differently than the first two mucks.


all these mucks,
SA


      
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