Bye Krimel! Your insights are awesome! Joe
On 6/23/08 8:08 PM, "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To All Y'all MoQers, > > Sorry but I gotta lurk for a while. Some recent events in real life have > conspired to make it difficult for me to spend as much time as I would like > in these realms. I have to focus on a couple of really time consuming > activities for the next couple of months. I have drifted in an out several > times over the past few years so I'll be back when I can and I will chime in > from time to time just not as often as usual. > > I hate leaving active status right now because there are several issues I > would like to pursue but that's life, huh? > > A couple of note in passing: > > In a conversation with dmb I asked what experiences radical empiricism would > allow. I was not picking a fight over mysticism rather I was wondering what > kind of experience one could have that did not involve activation of the > nervous system. I would say emphatically, "None!" If your nerves don't light > up it didn't happen. We can categorize experiences into various boxes; > direct, indirect, immediate, recalled... pick your own boxes but all of our > experiences a located in our nervous systems. I guess my point is that you > aren't going to understand much about experience if you don't at least look > at the nervous system and how it grows, how it tranduces energy, how it > integrates its own multiple modalities... > > Welcome back Squonk! I would love to knock heads with you, literally. I have > always found our exchanges to be like body slamming in a mosh pit. Not sure > where you are heading with your moral raising of brains in vats but it is > not, as you suggest, unknown in science fiction. Majority Report was about > psychics raised in vats and used to convict "pre-criminals" of crimes they > were about to commit. In "Vanilla Sky" another Cruiser, Tom figures out he > is living in a virtual world. "The 13th Floor" and the ever weird > Cronenberg's "eXitenZ" were different riffs on the themes of "The Matrix". > Slaughterhouse Five has aliens keeping Billy Pilgrim in a kind of zoo/vat > with a Playboy bunny. There are lots of stories about AIs coming to > sentience, WOPR in the 1983 "War Games", "I, Robot", Skynet in Terminator or > the Star Trek episode were the holodeck creature Morarity gains sentience > and is given his own virtual world to live in and a virtual sweetheart to > live with. > > Craig at last seems to have convinced Ham of the fallacy of his belief in a > particular logical fallacy. You are a better man than I, my son... wanna > borrow my list of fallacies Ham refuses to acknowledge? > > DM and I have come to some sort of truce at the moment so not much hanging > there. > > Ron, I think a problem with your whole linguist thing is, that is what has > take philosophy down the path of irrelevance. It is all just arguing about > the meaning of words. There is much of life and experience that has noting > at all to do with language. It can be expressed "in" language or "through" > language but it is not at all lived that way. Language is how our species > constructs it illusions and yes understanding language helps us see the > structure of those illusions but there is more to it. I suspect much more. > > Anyway just this writing took an hour, which sort of makes my point for my > own benefit... So I'm not bailing out just laying low for a bit. You'll be > hearing from me and I will continue to hear from all of you. > > Good luck to you, one and all! > > Krimel > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
