On Tuesday 24 June 2008 5:56 AM Squonk writes to Marsha: <snip>
Hi Marsha, I think it is true to say that social patterns of behaviour do not value truth, because truth is an intellectual pattern of value, and therefore can not be shared by another level of moq evolution. Social patterns of behaviour are imitated while intellectual patterns are abstracted. <snip> Hi Squonk and all, It is good to have your input again! Persig suggests that ³Culture hands us a set of glassesŠ² The opinions I learned at my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behavior, and culture is mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything more. The conscious-self-awareness which identifies the social level is undefined. I don¹t see how you can ³imitate² the Undefined since it is emptiness. Intellectual patterns are SOL! If they were abstracted, the mind-soul necessary to abstract and remember the pattern becomes the structure proposed for SOM. Joe Hi Joe, Thanks Joe, nice to hear you again. :) The term 'Culture' in moq terms is a combination of social static patterns and intellectual static patterns. When you say, 'The opinions I learned at my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behaviour, and culture is mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything more' i think you may be referring to the social aspect of culture. The origin of self-awareness is a fascinating area of enquiry, but i am not inclined to believe it was initiated, precipitated or generated by the emergence of the moq intellectual level. I know Bodvar has developed his SOL which attempts to tie these two together, but i do not think self-consciousness can be regarded in terms of a social power struggle with intellectual patterns developing later. The following book may be of interest to those who value SOL: Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory Revisited [Import] (Hardcover) by Marcel Kuijstn. Eds. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
