On Tuesday 24 June 2008 1:22 PM Squonk writes to Joe: Hi Squonk and all,
It is good to have your input again! Persig suggests that ³Culture hands us a set of glassesŠ² The opinions I learned at my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behavior, and culture is mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything more. The conscious-self-awareness which identifies the social level is undefined. I don¹t see how you can ³imitate² the Undefined since it is emptiness. Intellectual patterns are SOL! If they were abstracted, the mind-soul necessary to abstract and remember the pattern becomes the structure proposed for SOM. Joe Hi Joe, Thanks Joe, nice to hear you again. :) The term 'Culture' in moq terms is a combination of social static patterns and intellectual static patterns. When you say, 'The opinions I learned at my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behaviour, and culture is mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything more' i think you may be referring to the social aspect of culture. The origin of self-awareness is a fascinating area of enquiry, but i am not inclined to believe it was initiated, precipitated or generated by the emergence of the moq intellectual level. I know Bodvar has developed his SOL which attempts to tie these two together, but i do not think self-consciousness can be regarded in terms of a social power struggle with intellectual patterns developing later. The following book may be of interest to those who value SOL: Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory Revisited [Import] (Hardcover) by Marcel Kuijstn. Eds. Hi Squonk and all, Evolution! IMO the possibility of evolution demands an undefined order in existence. Consciousness an undefined “I” of self-meaning. There also is a mechanical-defined “I” following the rules of “culture”. I am a singer. I use the musical octave as the analogy for evolution. Do the inorganic reproduces by collision. Re is life which reproduces by the division of a single cell. Mi is life which reproduces from one cell penetrating another. __(half-note, shock required or everything deviates) Fa is self-aware-conscious life reaching for meaning in an experience of emptiness. As a man, I am empty! “It is not good for man to be alone!” The emptiness of self-aware-conscious life is the analogy which makes possible a distinction between S and O, a power struggle between me and you (it)—The social power struggle. Is Plato’s dialectic merely repetition to establish the boundaries of undefined conscious/reality or defined mechanical/reality? Sol is a Self-Organ(other)(object)-Language of evolution of life, mechanical or conscious. Thanks! Bo. La is a higher conscious-only perception of life. Si is a higher conscious-only perception of evolutionary forces--existence. Evolution stops! Joe On 6/24/08 1:22 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Squonk and all, It is good to have your input again! Persig suggests that > ³Culture hands us a set of glassesŠ² The opinions I learned at my Mom¹s knee > become the standard for my behavior, and culture is mechanical in that usually > I don¹t have to learn anything more. The conscious-self-awareness which > identifies the social level is undefined. I don¹t see how you can ³imitate² > the Undefined since it is emptiness. Intellectual patterns are SOL! If they > were abstracted, the mind-soul necessary to abstract and remember the pattern > becomes the structure proposed for SOM. Joe Hi Joe, Thanks Joe, nice to hear > you again. :) The term 'Culture' in moq terms is a combination of social > static patterns and intellectual static patterns. When you say, 'The opinions > I learned at my Mom¹s knee become the standard for my behaviour, and culture > is mechanical in that usually I don¹t have to learn anything more' i think you > may be referring to the social aspect of culture. The origin of > self-awareness is a fascinating area of enquiry, but i am not inclined to > believe it was initiated, precipitated or generated by the emergence of the > moq intellectual level. I know Bodvar has developed his SOL which attempts to > tie these two together, but i do not think self-consciousness can be > regarded in terms of a social power struggle with intellectual patterns > developing later. The following book may be of interest to those who value > SOL: Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral > Mind Theory Revisited Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
