On Monday 30 June 2008 12:19 PM David M asks two questions: Hi all [David M] What do we value in sexual experience? Or more to the point what do we value most in our sexual experiences? Many and different things no doubt. No doubt how we experience someone's body is valued and important? But this is not all or perhaps not the highest value involved. Desire for physical contact is fine but as human beings we often want more. [David M] What is this more? [David M] Something more than the body? Something more than the physical? Something more than SQ? [David M] We might say that more than just the body, we also desire the person. [David M] The person may be many levels of SQ but even that is not enough. But what more do we want? The person? What do we want from another person? [David M] Somehow we want their uniqueness. We do not just want the SQ they can repeat, the patterns we have experienced before. We want their future, their possibilities, what is yet unknown about them and the joint possibilities that may unfold between two people (any more is perhaps just too complex and dynamic). [David M] Or it may be less about what is gained and more about what is given. Hi David and all, [Joe] Love-sex and death! [Joe] For me the value of sex is the excitement, the turn on! Making Love becomes a closeness to another. Both were not just physical! You express it well: [David M] Somehow we want their uniqueness! [Joe] Not just uniqueness in itself, but a directed vibration evoked by being able to be very close to another¹s acceptance and participation in a special moment of openness. Sometimes fear, sometimes annoyance, sometimes love. Like in a moment of emptiness the whole universe is possible. An experience that blunts all memory, and for a moment breaks habitual patterns of behavior! [David M] And then there is loss and death. What is no longer experienced when a loved one dies? The body remains and is no less physically experienced. But it is a greatly reduced experience. Reduced in what? Reduced in its potential, such that its potential can no longer be experienced, it is absent. Such is potential. Potential is something we clearly experience but cannot entirely pin down. Sure there is SQ and our understanding of SQ but some experiences give us more than just SQ and the same again. [Joe] AT the death of Louise I became vacant! I did not know where to place my attention, or if I even had any attention? You put it well with: [David M] ³Reduced in its potential, such that its potential can no longer be experienced, it is absent.² [Joe] By me being absent, there is no response to make a relationship possible. She was simply put in the ground! [David M] Some experiences are richer in DQ than others. Sexual/erotic/love Experiences with persons are one set of these. [Joe] I had no extra attention for seeking answers in sex. Death is so final, no answer is possible! [David M] Do MOQers not need to explore all forms of experience for what they tell us about SQ and DQ and their value? Regards David M [Joe] I would add: in their own time and in their own way or not at all, a huge maybe! Creativity is not a reaction, but more an inspiration--sometimes within the parentheses of a reaction!
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