See French Surrealist Georges Bataille's "Erotism: Sensuality and Death"
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Joseph Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 30 June 2008 12:19 PM David M asks two questions: > > Hi all > > [David M] > What do we value in sexual experience? Or more to the point what do we > value most in our sexual experiences? Many and different things no doubt. > No doubt how we experience someone's body is valued and important? But > this > is not all or perhaps not the highest value involved. Desire for physical > contact is fine but as human beings we often want more. > > [David M] > What is this more? > > [David M] > Something more than the body? > Something more than the physical? > Something more than SQ? > > [David M] > We might say that more than just the body, we also desire the person. > > [David M] > The person may be many levels of SQ but even that is not enough. > But what more do we want? The person? What do we want from > another person? > > [David M] > Somehow we want their uniqueness. We do not just want the > SQ they can repeat, the patterns we have experienced before. > We want their future, their possibilities, what is yet unknown > about them and the joint possibilities that may unfold between > two people (any more is perhaps just too complex and dynamic). > > [David M] > Or it may be less about what is gained and more about what is > given. > > Hi David and all, > > [Joe] > Love-sex and death! > > [Joe] > For me the value of sex is the excitement, the turn on! Making Love > becomes > a closeness to another. Both were not just physical! You express it well: > > [David M] > Somehow we want their uniqueness! > > [Joe] > Not just uniqueness in itself, but a directed vibration evoked by being > able > to be very close to another¹s acceptance and participation in a special > moment of openness. Sometimes fear, sometimes annoyance, sometimes love. > Like in a moment of emptiness the whole universe is possible. An > experience > that blunts all memory, and for a moment breaks habitual patterns of > behavior! > > [David M] > And then there is loss and death. What is no longer experienced when a > loved > one dies? The body remains and is no less physically > experienced. But it is a greatly reduced experience. Reduced in what? > Reduced in its potential, such that its potential can no longer be > experienced, it is absent. Such is potential. Potential is something we > clearly experience but cannot entirely pin down. Sure there is SQ and our > understanding of SQ but some experiences give us more than just SQ and the > same again. > > [Joe] > AT the death of Louise I became vacant! I did not know where to place my > attention, or if I even had any attention? You put it well with: > > [David M] > ³Reduced in its potential, such that its potential can no longer be > experienced, it is absent.² > > [Joe] > By me being absent, there is no response to make a relationship possible. > She was simply put in the ground! > > [David M] > Some experiences are richer in DQ than others. Sexual/erotic/love > Experiences with persons are one set of these. > > [Joe] > I had no extra attention for seeking answers in sex. Death is so final, no > answer is possible! > > [David M] > Do MOQers not need to explore all forms of experience for what they tell us > about SQ and DQ and their value? > > Regards > David M > > [Joe] > I would add: in their own time and in their own way or not at all, a huge > maybe! Creativity is not a reaction, but more an inspiration--sometimes > within the parentheses of a reaction! > > Joe > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
