I'D LIKE ALL OF YOUR TAKES ON THIS. Please.
Joe. It's late and I'm not sure how well my brain functions at the moment,
but your post produced this though of mine:
If the intellectual level is the quest for knowledge for knowledge's sake
alone -
Can this quest come to be without a distinct *I* to perform and be the
vessel of that quest?
Or is it so that the social level had to evolve to such a degree that it
produced the basis for the idea of a distinct and separate *I* to form - and
only when the social level had provided this *I* could the intellectual
level emerge?
Could this be it? That when social structures become so evolved that
distinct and separate *I's* are created that provides the vessel for the
intellectual level?
Couldn't Bodvar agree? Couldn't Platt agree (oh Platt, there is your beloved
individuality!)? Couldn't Magnus agree? All of you?
Sleep now.
//Christoffer
[Chris had written]
This thing regarding the nature of the intellectual level has proven to
be,
well, difficult - to say the least. I think we can all agree that the
nature
of the intellectual level is that of a way of
responding/understanding/seeing/etc Quality in ways that are different to
the ways that the other levels /responds/sees/understands Quality.
Most everyone of you are fully aware of the debate concerning the "Symbol
manipulation" given by Mr Pirsig and other explanations and
interpretations
of the nature of the intellectual level - most notably Bodvars SOL.
I myself tend to discard the symbol manipulation explanation because of
the
- as I see it - quite obvious reason that this is not in conflict with
anything. The MOQ is a moral order, as we all know, and the different
levels
have more or less competing "views" on Quality and how to follow it. Thus
I
am inclined to thing along the paths of
"What is not by it's _fundamental nature_ in service of either the
inorganic, the biological or the social level?"
As I said - manipulation of symbols doesn't really cut it for me - where
is
the FUNDAMENTAL conflict?
Today I thought about "human nature". Human nature and what thing it is
that
is usually connected to the expression that it is in "the human nature".
The Quest for knowledge. Embedded in us since - well, pretty much always.
This drive that seems to be something that is a fundamental part of what
makes humans humans, and something that - of course - may service our
biological needs and our social standards, but that in essance is
separated
from these things, that in essance is something that strives towards
something quite aside from these Patterns of Value. Knowledge for
knowledge's sake.
I am not sure that it *is* the Intellectual level, but it sure seems to be
a
most notable manifestation of it.
Knowledge for Knowledge's sake. Alone.
[Joe wrote:]
Hi Chris and all,
Evolution as conflict resolution, I like that. The INORGANIC reproduces
by
collision. The individual is changed, conflict is profitable.
The ORGANIC level reproduces in two ways, by cell self-division, or by
cell
wall penetration by a sperm cell. What conflict has been resolved by the
evolution of the ORGANIC LEVEL? The integrity of the one remains intact.
More than one individual arises from within rather than from chance. THE
CONFLICT of reproduction by COLLISION is resolved.
The SOCIAL level evolves to CONSCIOUSNESS/SELF-AWARENESS. The individual
knows changes are occurring, but an undefined self is untouched and alone.
CONFLICT between the ONE and the MANY.
The INTELLECTUAL level evolves. A structure of Law for S/O conflict in
the
one or the many.
Does evolution stop? Interior relationships within one demand resolution,
the tyrant and the citizen.
HIGHER SOCIAL level evolves to enlightenment S only. A conflict with an
Internal Tyrant????????????????
HIGHER INTELLECTUAL level evolves to enlightenment S only. A conflict
with
One does not exist????????????????????????????
Joe
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