[Ham] Since it's hard for you to ignore me, I assume it's because what I say is difficult to ignore. Appreciate the compliment, Krimel..
[Krimel] They are too few, too far between and too often backhanded. But let me add that I find you entertaining as well. [Ham] Yes, the 'peek-a-boo' video is entertaining and could be offered as evidence that what the six-month-old child experiences is impermanent, as it "comes and goes" at the will of another. What it does show is that the entertainment value of the toy is clearly greater than the towel that hides it, and value endures over the four-month interval to the second half of the video. This is a cleverly-designed experiment which demonstrates your astute comprehension of the subject. [snip] [Krimel] Thanks for sharing your first impressions about this work. But let me assure you that the questions you asked and hundreds you have yet to think of asking have been addressed hundreds of times over the past 60 years in countries all over the world. Back in the late '30s Jean Piaget began ask questions about why and in what ways children think differently than adults. Three generations of researchers have a worked to show that much of what Piaget thought was wrong. But his approach to the problem, the questions he asked and the research he conducted still have an enormous impact on even the man on the street's understanding of childhood and children. By the way Piaget never really thought of himself as a psychologist. He was a philosopher who sought to test his philosophy in the real world. You really should acquaint yourself with his work before second guessing him. [Ham] Is "transducing energy into neural impulses" your idea of speaking in common terms? [Krimel] I was going for a simplicity and brevity. But there is no special meaning attached to any of the terms. To energy is transduced when it changes form. When gasoline burns chemical energy is transduced into heat. When a rock rolls down a hill potential energy is tranduced into kinetic energy. When a photon hits the leaf of a plant light energy is tranduced into chemical energy. A neural impulse is a set of electro-chemical reactions that travel down nerve fibers. Electrical interactions travel within each cell but chemical reactions occur in the synaptic gaps between cell as the impulses are transferred from cell to cell. We have sensory nerves that transduce light into neural impulses in the eyes. Sensory cells that transduce chemical energy into our noses and mouths. Kinetic energy is tranduced energy in our ears and in several different ways on our skin. As Jill Bolte-Taylor said in her TED presentation we are energy beings exchanging energy in our environment. But I mistakenly thought "transducing energy into neural impulses" was more concise. [Ham] And is the suggestion that "Values are mostly inherited" another assertion that you can't justify? Values are neither genetic nor biological; they are the essence os our proprietary sensibility. AsMarsha says, [Krimel] Who said I can't justify this assertion? Values are what we like and dislike. They are positive or negative, good or bad. All of our emotional responses are hardwired. They are expressed autonomically and well as through movement of various muscles. They are nearly impossible to hide or to fake. They are expressed identically by most people everywhere on earth and can be identified in others everywhere on earth. Infants enter the world with an impressive range of values and they are equipped to communicate themselves valuistically to any adult in earshot. In addition to that, the closer we are to other primates on the phylogenic tree the more similar are our emotional expressions. We do _learn_ which stimuli in the environment are most likely to evoke what kind of valuistic response. But we are genetically programmed to value food, warmth and companionship; we learn what is good to eat, where it is safe to sleep and who it is safe to sleep with. We are not free to enjoy being ignored or to be hungry or to like being smacked on the butt or to enjoy eating our offspring. [Ham] > Things like time, space, motion, desire, cause&effect, &etc., > also do not inherently exist and are nothing but conceptions. Except that "conceptions" are intellectual constructs (existents or patterns?) of Value, which is the individual's sense of Essence, the uncreated non-existent source of existence. [Krimel] I did not say that and don't especially agree with it but I vigorously disagree that we have a "sense of Essence, the uncreated non-existent source of existence". I have no idea what that is supposed to mean but please don't explain it to me. Instead take a stab at addressing the question you keep avoiding which is, once again: What reason can you give for suspecting the existence of an uncreated Absolute unchanging source or whatever it is you are evasively are calling God today? 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