Marsha --

Both the designs and the designer are conceptually constructed.
Both are patterns.  I don't see a problem with the MOQ.

To see the problem you have to go back to the fundamentals.

Remember the 'ex nihilo' principle? You say the designs and the designer are "conceptually constructed". "Conceptually" is an adverb that describes conception as the configuring process of the intellect. Anything constructed is a "creation", and creation implies a Creator.

I assume you agree that objects are intellectual patterns, If so, they are constructed FROM value, not BY value. Since construction is not an agent but a process, who or what is the constructive agent? As an MoQist, you will probably answer that Intellect is the agent. And that's precisely where the problem lies. For "intellect" is not a disembodied agency and "value" is not a universal principle. Both are functions of the individual observer. In the absence of an observer, there is no value realized and no intellect to configure it.

Back on July 7 you told me that "self is a collection of interrelated, ever-changing, static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual values." By that definition the self is a construction of its objective experiences. Maybe that's literally how you view it. In any event, it's how Pirsig would like you to view it, since he seeks to "overcome" selfness in the monistic existentiality of DQ.

Here's where I part with the Quality thesis. Individuality and separateness are essential to value realization. All experience is proprietary to the self, selves are individuated from each other, and experiential existence is a differentiated system. I'm quite aware that this is regarded as an unenlightened SOMist view. But it is the reality human beings are designed to experience and participate in. Why? Because (metaphysically) it is the only way value can be realized relationally, and (morally) it affords the individual free choice, which is the purpose of being-aware in a relational universe.

But I don't stop here. Unlike Pirsig, I don't exclude metaphysical reality from this differentiated ontology. I posit Essence as the "unmoved mover" and primary source of all difference, and nothingness as the actualizing agent of existence. You and I are negated "others" of an absolute reality whose essential value absorbs us into its oneness. Take hold of this value, Marsha. Seize the Essence! It's all up for grabs in this process we call the life-experience.

Essentially yours,
Ham

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